2008-09 San Antonio Spurs Thread

I hope Pop saw that zone defense played on LA. A weakness is found.

Originally posted by dobophile:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by dobophile:
I'm getting pretty damn confident. Mason, Hill, and Gooden are fantastic additions. Mason is reliable third or fourth scorer, and clutch as hell. Hill is a solid rookie and is already showing signs of being a great perimeter defender. (I wish he were about 5 inches taller.) Gooden looks comfortable, and his presence relieves some pressure from Tim. Having said that, the Spurs NEED a healthy Manu to win it all.

The Spurs are much deeper this season. They're better than they were in 2008, but so are the Lakers.

If Manu and Tim are healthy during the playoffs . . . Spurs beat Lakers in 6.

That's a big if, though.

Spurs healthy... it won't matter. Bynum will be healthy also. Lakers in 5. Lakers are letting this year slip away like last year. The Spurs are garbo.

What? I don't understand the bolded.

And, Bynum? Please. I still don't understand the infatuation some Lakers fans have for him. He hasn't done anything except show a little promise and get injured. His absence means far less to the Lakers than Manu's does to the Spurs.

I really hope both teams will be healthy during the playoffs. I really do.

Word.

Originally posted by dobophile:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by dobophile:
I'm getting pretty damn confident. Mason, Hill, and Gooden are fantastic additions. Mason is reliable third or fourth scorer, and clutch as hell. Hill is a solid rookie and is already showing signs of being a great perimeter defender. (I wish he were about 5 inches taller.) Gooden looks comfortable, and his presence relieves some pressure from Tim. Having said that, the Spurs NEED a healthy Manu to win it all.

The Spurs are much deeper this season. They're better than they were in 2008, but so are the Lakers.

If Manu and Tim are healthy during the playoffs . . . Spurs beat Lakers in 6.

That's a big if, though.

Spurs healthy... it won't matter. Bynum will be healthy also. Lakers in 5. Lakers are letting this year slip away like last year. The Spurs are garbo.

What? I don't understand the bolded.

And, Bynum? Please. I still don't understand the infatuation some Lakers fans have for him. He hasn't done anything except show a little promise and get injured. His absence means far less to the Lakers than Manu's does to the Spurs.

I really hope both teams will be healthy during the playoffs. I really do.

Probably because you don't watch the Lakers enough.

Bynum's presence is the difference between the other team shooting a pull up jump shot and shooting a layup.

It's not that Bynum's some absolutely incredible, D12 kinda guy. It's that he provides the only skill set that this team is missing, which is shot-blocking/altering and a dominant physical presence inside. Perfect compliment to Gasol. Manu's a better player at this point in his career, but you guys have other people that can do what he does to a lesser extent. Parker and Mason specifically. The Lakers don't.

We'll see come playoff time, but if Bynum is healthy, I think that the Lakers are going to dominate in a way that no one is expecting.

Originally posted by dobophile:
"Dominant physical presence inside"? Clearly, I don't watch the Lakers as much as you do. But you don't know the Spurs like I do. The bolded statement, for instance.

I'm still not convinced that the Lakers are any better with Bynum. Bynum and Gasol together . . . perfect complement? I'm just not convinced.

I will say this: Kobe was f**king retarded when he said he wanted to ship Bynum's ass for Jason Kidd.

If Bynum doesn't make the Lakers any better then why is Kobe f**king retarded for wanting to trade him for Jason Kidd? You can't have the best of both worlds. Bynum works great with Gasol and he makes us a lot better when he is on the court.

Originally posted by angelv05:

Originally posted by dobophile:
"Dominant physical presence inside"? Clearly, I don't watch the Lakers as much as you do. But you don't know the Spurs like I do. The bolded statement, for instance.

I'm still not convinced that the Lakers are any better with Bynum. Bynum and Gasol together . . . perfect complement? I'm just not convinced.

I will say this: Kobe was f**king retarded when he said he wanted to ship Bynum's ass for Jason Kidd.

If Bynum doesn't make the Lakers any better then why is Kobe f**king retarded for wanting to trade him for Jason Kidd? You can't have the best of both worlds. Bynum works great with Gasol and he makes us a lot better when he is on the court.

Because Jason Kidd f**king sucks, that's why.

Originally posted by dobophile:

Originally posted by angelv05:

Originally posted by dobophile:
"Dominant physical presence inside"? Clearly, I don't watch the Lakers as much as you do. But you don't know the Spurs like I do. The bolded statement, for instance.

I'm still not convinced that the Lakers are any better with Bynum. Bynum and Gasol together . . . perfect complement? I'm just not convinced.

I will say this: Kobe was f**king retarded when he said he wanted to ship Bynum's ass for Jason Kidd.

If Bynum doesn't make the Lakers any better then why is Kobe f**king retarded for wanting to trade him for Jason Kidd? You can't have the best of both worlds. Bynum works great with Gasol and he makes us a lot better when he is on the court.

Because the Lakers would be WORSE off with Jason Kidd. Jason Kidd would be an expensive liability on the Lakers. He's old and slow and can't do much of anything anymore.

Look, Bynum has shown some talent, and he's a true center. Depending on injuries and development, he may end up someday being a key player for the Lakers. (THAT is why Kobe was retarded.) But I'm not convinced the Lakers--this season or last--are any better with Bynum.

I'm sorry, but that is just a ridiculous statement. You must watch the rest of the league through tunnel vision.

Originally posted by dobophile:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by dobophile:

Originally posted by angelv05:

Originally posted by dobophile:
"Dominant physical presence inside"? Clearly, I don't watch the Lakers as much as you do. But you don't know the Spurs like I do. The bolded statement, for instance.

I'm still not convinced that the Lakers are any better with Bynum. Bynum and Gasol together . . . perfect complement? I'm just not convinced.

I will say this: Kobe was f**king retarded when he said he wanted to ship Bynum's ass for Jason Kidd.

If Bynum doesn't make the Lakers any better then why is Kobe f**king retarded for wanting to trade him for Jason Kidd? You can't have the best of both worlds. Bynum works great with Gasol and he makes us a lot better when he is on the court.

Because the Lakers would be WORSE off with Jason Kidd. Jason Kidd would be an expensive liability on the Lakers. He's old and slow and can't do much of anything anymore.

Look, Bynum has shown some talent, and he's a true center. Depending on injuries and development, he may end up someday being a key player for the Lakers. (THAT is why Kobe was retarded.) But I'm not convinced the Lakers--this season or last--are any better with Bynum.

I'm sorry, but that is just a ridiculous statement. You must watch the rest of the league through tunnel vision.

What's ridiculous?

That we're spending all this time wondering about Bynum and Kidd in a Spurs thread?

You thinking that the Lakers aren't any better with Bynum. It would be about as truthful if I said the Spurs aren't any better with Ginobli.

Originally posted by dobophile:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by dobophile:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by dobophile:

Originally posted by angelv05:

Originally posted by dobophile:
"Dominant physical presence inside"? Clearly, I don't watch the Lakers as much as you do. But you don't know the Spurs like I do. The bolded statement, for instance.

I'm still not convinced that the Lakers are any better with Bynum. Bynum and Gasol together . . . perfect complement? I'm just not convinced.

I will say this: Kobe was f**king retarded when he said he wanted to ship Bynum's ass for Jason Kidd.

If Bynum doesn't make the Lakers any better then why is Kobe f**king retarded for wanting to trade him for Jason Kidd? You can't have the best of both worlds. Bynum works great with Gasol and he makes us a lot better when he is on the court.

Because the Lakers would be WORSE off with Jason Kidd. Jason Kidd would be an expensive liability on the Lakers. He's old and slow and can't do much of anything anymore.

Look, Bynum has shown some talent, and he's a true center. Depending on injuries and development, he may end up someday being a key player for the Lakers. (THAT is why Kobe was retarded.) But I'm not convinced the Lakers--this season or last--are any better with Bynum.

I'm sorry, but that is just a ridiculous statement. You must watch the rest of the league through tunnel vision.

What's ridiculous?

That we're spending all this time wondering about Bynum and Kidd in a Spurs thread?

You thinking that the Lakers aren't any better with Bynum. It would be about as truthful if I said the Spurs aren't any better with Ginobli.

And I'm the one being ridiculous?

He didn't say that the Spurs are not better with Manu. He said your statement is a as true as him saying that because we are FOR SURE better with Bynum. A lot better.

Originally posted by dobophile:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by dobophile:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by dobophile:

Originally posted by angelv05:

Originally posted by dobophile:
"Dominant physical presence inside"? Clearly, I don't watch the Lakers as much as you do. But you don't know the Spurs like I do. The bolded statement, for instance.

I'm still not convinced that the Lakers are any better with Bynum. Bynum and Gasol together . . . perfect complement? I'm just not convinced.

I will say this: Kobe was f**king retarded when he said he wanted to ship Bynum's ass for Jason Kidd.

If Bynum doesn't make the Lakers any better then why is Kobe f**king retarded for wanting to trade him for Jason Kidd? You can't have the best of both worlds. Bynum works great with Gasol and he makes us a lot better when he is on the court.

Because the Lakers would be WORSE off with Jason Kidd. Jason Kidd would be an expensive liability on the Lakers. He's old and slow and can't do much of anything anymore.

Look, Bynum has shown some talent, and he's a true center. Depending on injuries and development, he may end up someday being a key player for the Lakers. (THAT is why Kobe was retarded.) But I'm not convinced the Lakers--this season or last--are any better with Bynum.

I'm sorry, but that is just a ridiculous statement. You must watch the rest of the league through tunnel vision.

What's ridiculous?

That we're spending all this time wondering about Bynum and Kidd in a Spurs thread?

You thinking that the Lakers aren't any better with Bynum. It would be about as truthful if I said the Spurs aren't any better with Ginobli.

And I'm the one being ridiculous?

Exactly. Don't be blind to the truth just because you don't like a team. It's quite obvious that you don't watch/know enough about other teams to make such a ludicrous statement.

Originally posted by dobophile:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by dobophile:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by dobophile:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by dobophile:

Originally posted by angelv05:

Originally posted by dobophile:
"Dominant physical presence inside"? Clearly, I don't watch the Lakers as much as you do. But you don't know the Spurs like I do. The bolded statement, for instance.

I'm still not convinced that the Lakers are any better with Bynum. Bynum and Gasol together . . . perfect complement? I'm just not convinced.

I will say this: Kobe was f**king retarded when he said he wanted to ship Bynum's ass for Jason Kidd.

If Bynum doesn't make the Lakers any better then why is Kobe f**king retarded for wanting to trade him for Jason Kidd? You can't have the best of both worlds. Bynum works great with Gasol and he makes us a lot better when he is on the court.

Because the Lakers would be WORSE off with Jason Kidd. Jason Kidd would be an expensive liability on the Lakers. He's old and slow and can't do much of anything anymore.

Look, Bynum has shown some talent, and he's a true center. Depending on injuries and development, he may end up someday being a key player for the Lakers. (THAT is why Kobe was retarded.) But I'm not convinced the Lakers--this season or last--are any better with Bynum.

I'm sorry, but that is just a ridiculous statement. You must watch the rest of the league through tunnel vision.

What's ridiculous?

That we're spending all this time wondering about Bynum and Kidd in a Spurs thread?

You thinking that the Lakers aren't any better with Bynum. It would be about as truthful if I said the Spurs aren't any better with Ginobli.

And I'm the one being ridiculous?

Exactly. Don't be blind to the truth just because you don't like a team. It's quite obvious that you don't watch/know enough about other teams to make such a ludicrous statement.

No, you're being ridiculous. Manu has proven his value to the Spurs. The Spurs win championships when Manu is playing. When Manu is hurt, the Spurs are a mediocre-to-good team.

What have the Lakers done with Bynum? Anything? What about without Bynum? Anything? How many games has Bynum played in his short career? How many playoff series has Bynum impacted?

Do I like the Lakers? No. Do I think they're a great team, with or without Bynum? Yes. Do I think Kobe is the best player in the NBA? Yes.

I'm not blinded by hatred for the Lakers. I just don't buy into the Bynum excuse about the Finals massacre, or the Bynum hope about this year's playoffs. Hype.

Last year, with Bynum, before he went down, and before Gasol was acquired, the Lakers had the best record in the Association (it's true, look it up). During the Finals last year, the main reason we lost is because we lacked his presence in the lane as a defender and shot blocker. With him in there, Boston would have had to try a lot harder to get all those shots in the lane that they did. They were just walking in the lane and doing anything they wanted. If you have seen more than 2 Laker games this year with Bynum playing, you'd know that he has a very big effect on what happens in the lane and what he does to teams shot selection.


I can see that you have this preconceived notion that your opinion is fact, so whatever. Believe what you want. But don't be surprised when you are extremely disappointed this year during the playoffs.

The Celtic front line physically pushed the Lakers around in the Finals last year, which is the main reason that the Lakers lost in the Finals last year. I'm sure that a healthy Bynum would have considerably lessened the impact of that. Odom and Gasol were ridiculed for being soft. I still don't think the Lakers beat the Celtics in a 7 game series without Bynum for exactly that reason.

As for this year, the reason that Bynum's a good fit w/Gasol is that he provides what Gasol doesn't, and vice versa. He also has a nice mid range jumper, which doesn't clog the lane. The Lakers are more of a half-court team with Bynum in, but come playoff time, that's important. The Lakers will be able to either have their high octane offense w/Gasol & Odom or the twin towers of Gasol & Bynum.

In the playoffs, the Lakers will be able to occupy all 96 minutes at the PF & Center spots with Gasol, Bynum, & Odom. And you're gonna have Matt Bonner trying to guard them and keep them off the glass.

Good luck with that.

Originally posted by LA9erFan:
The Celtic front line physically pushed the Lakers around in the Finals last year, which is the main reason that the Lakers lost in the Finals last year. I'm sure that a healthy Bynum would have considerably lessened the impact of that. Odom and Gasol were ridiculed for being soft. I still don't think the Lakers beat the Celtics in a 7 game series without Bynum for exactly that reason.

As for this year, the reason that Bynum's a good fit w/Gasol is that he provides what Gasol doesn't, and vice versa. He also has a nice mid range jumper, which doesn't clog the lane. The Lakers are more of a half-court team with Bynum in, but come playoff time, that's important. The Lakers will be able to either have their high octane offense w/Gasol & Odom or the twin towers of Gasol & Bynum.

In the playoffs, the Lakers will be able to occupy all 96 minutes at the PF & Center spots with Gasol, Bynum, & Odom. And you're gonna have Matt Bonner trying to guard them and keep them off the glass.

Good luck with that.

This is where Pop's coaching irritates me. He is a reactionary coach whereas Phil Jackson is the type of coach that forces you to adjust to his team.

Pop completely misused Bonner in that game. Matt Bonner will have trouble guarding the front court but the front court, besides Odom will have difficulty staying with Bonner. Also, Odom crashes down for rebounds and with Bonner in the game, he will need to respect the spacing. As for Bonner guarding Odom, Pop should have devised a zone defense to help Bonner out.

So, what does Pop do? His ass tries to have Bonner man up and doesn't even try to use some set plays for Bonner to see if he can spread that Laker defense early.

Also, when the Lakers players were hitting their shots, everyone was shooting but as soon as they missed a couple, it was time to go to Kobe. In that 4th quarter, the Spurs role players were hot but you can't expect this for the entire quarter and when they missed 2 shots in a row, Pop still refused to set up Duncan to settle things down. He kept trying to force Parker in the lane.

Originally posted by dobophile:
Can we move all this Bynum crap to the Lakers thread?

I need to start spamming the Lakers thread.

Jeez, I wonder who started it.

Originally posted by dobophile:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by dobophile:
Can we move all this Bynum crap to the Lakers thread?

I need to start spamming the Lakers thread.

Jeez, I wonder who started it.

Here ya go:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by pantstickle:

Originally posted by socalfan21:
The Spurs suck... get over it.. they aren't winning a championship. Joecool is probably sitting at home like "seriously these guys probably are buying into the bulls**t i am feeding them about my team that is terrible"

Yeah go home and cry. we are better and the Spurs are dead... You needed Michael Finley to score 30 points to lose... thats pretty pathetic... times 2

You needed huge shots from Kobe to beat us without Manu.

Ok... Michael Finley would have never scored 30 points with Manu in the lineup. So there you go. We beat you without Bynum if you are goin to play that game.

We were discussing the spurs lakers game then dobo started bring up more garb about bynum..