jrg's 11 Time WS Champion St. Louis Cardinals Thread

Originally posted by jrg:
Gonna be some tough calls on who to leave off the post season roster....I mostly agree with this, but would take Matt Adams over Brandon Moss/Mark Reynolds

Still don't agree that Bourjos should make this roster. He is good defensively (although I personally feel he is overrated), and that's pretty much it. He is a terrible baserunner considering his speed, and he cannot hit. I would rather have Adams coming off the bench personally (*EDIT* after typing this I realized it sort of sounds like I am presenting myself as a Cardinals fan. I am not. Just merely stating who I would want on my roster if I was the manager).

Bourjos would make the roster mainly as a pinch runner and defensive substitution late in the game. He takes over for Holliday in LF late in games.

Grichuk and Pham would get most of the playing time in CF.

Originally posted by jrg:
Bourjos would make the roster mainly as a pinch runner and defensive substitution late in the game. He takes over for Holliday in LF late in games.

Grichuk and Pham would get most of the playing time in CF.

I get it. I just think his defense is overrated. I suppose its still way better than Holliday's though so I guess it makes sense. But I also think Jon Jay play better defense than Holliday too....and I would prefer everything else that Jon Jay would bring to the table over what Bourjos does.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by jrg:
Bourjos would make the roster mainly as a pinch runner and defensive substitution late in the game. He takes over for Holliday in LF late in games.

Grichuk and Pham would get most of the playing time in CF.

I get it. I just think his defense is overrated. I suppose its still way better than Holliday's though so I guess it makes sense. But I also think Jon Jay play better defense than Holliday too....and I would prefer everything else that Jon Jay would bring to the table over what Bourjos does.

I'd take Bourjos over Jay. Tommy Pham does everything Jay does, but even better. Jay has missed most of the season and just hasn't found his swing since coming back. Pham is hitting everything. I dunno how his defense is "overrated". He has made 1 error all year and is currently has a .992 fielding %.

Originally posted by jrg:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by jrg:
Bourjos would make the roster mainly as a pinch runner and defensive substitution late in the game. He takes over for Holliday in LF late in games.

Grichuk and Pham would get most of the playing time in CF.

I get it. I just think his defense is overrated. I suppose its still way better than Holliday's though so I guess it makes sense. But I also think Jon Jay play better defense than Holliday too....and I would prefer everything else that Jon Jay would bring to the table over what Bourjos does.

I'd take Bourjos over Jay. Tommy Pham does everything Jay does, but even better. Jay has missed most of the season and just hasn't found his swing since coming back. Pham is hitting everything. I dunno how his defense is "overrated". He has made 1 error all year and is currently has a .992 fielding %.

Sure, he doesn't make too many errors....but he doesn't get to as many balls as a ton of other players. He gets terrible reads on balls. Holliday is the only outfielder on that little chart above that ranks worse than Bourjos in UZR...which he ranks 146th out of all outfielders who played at least 100 innings....which is awful.

Grichuk and Pham are both better outfielders, and I personally would play either one of them over Bourjos....even if its just as a defensive replacement.

Originally posted by jrg:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by jrg:

Originally posted by Niners99:
Right, a catcher hitting .270 with 4 HR is the most irreplaceable player in baseball.

Ask anybody that actually knows baseball and they'll tell you the same. I knew mentioning Molina's name would bring you out.

Saying ridiculous and untrue things will usually draw a comment from me.

Molina is the heart and soul of your team. I get it. But if you lost Molina for the year, you could still win the WS. Itd be less likely, but you could. There are teams who rely more heavily on players, who would be done without them.

I have to agree with 99. I can think of several players that are more valuable and irreplaceable than Molina. We aren't talking about the Yadi of a few years ago.

His defense and control of the pitching staff is still there. Ability to call a game. He is in there more innings than any catcher. Your casual fan or even someone who doesn't watch the Cardinals games won't see that. He is the only catcher in baseball with a catchers ERA below 3. (2.80). He has allowed the fewest stolen bases of any catcher. Just shuts down the running game. Its easy to sit there and say OH HE ONLY HAS 4 HOME RUNS! But there is so much more going on that he controls. Not gonna sit here and argue though because we already know Buster Posey is the greatest baseball player of all time. Right?

The funny thing is, you preach about Molina's defense, his arm, and his game calling skills, but then try and use that as a reason why hes more valuable than Posey, yet you always fail to realize how great Posey is at all of those things. Posey is an elite game caller/staff handler. Hes an elite pitch framer. Posey even has a higher fielding % than Molina this season, which leads baseball at .998. Posey is only throwing out a slightly less % of runners as Molina.

Since 2010 when Posey entered the league, he has 17 passed balls. Molina has 29. Even if you factor in the extra innings Molina has caught over Posey in that span, it totals out to Posey allowing a passed ball once every 271 innings caught, and Molina once every 229 innings caught. So all this time when you see Posey unable to block a ball, and you say "Molina would've had that", it should've been the other way around.

And obviously we don't need to talk about the hitting side of this comparison.

Just man up and admit that Posey is the better baseball player, or admit that you're a Cardinals homer.

BTW, the SABR defensive index thinks that Posey should win the GG this year.

http://sabr.org/latest/sabr-defensive-index-rankings-released-through-september-13-201

Pressure is about to start for jrg.

Originally posted by LaMattsBlue:
Pressure is about to start for jrg.

Best record in baseball means diddly squat! Postseason is where you LIVE or CHOKE.

Let's see what the Cards do this year.........................................................

Originally posted by LaMattsBlue:
Pressure is about to start for jrg.

why?

Originally posted by Niners99:
The funny thing is, you preach about Molina's defense, his arm, and his game calling skills, but then try and use that as a reason why hes more valuable than Posey, yet you always fail to realize how great Posey is at all of those things. Posey is an elite game caller/staff handler. Hes an elite pitch framer. Posey even has a higher fielding % than Molina this season, which leads baseball at .998. Posey is only throwing out a slightly less % of runners as Molina.

Since 2010 when Posey entered the league, he has 17 passed balls. Molina has 29. Even if you factor in the extra innings Molina has caught over Posey in that span, it totals out to Posey allowing a passed ball once every 271 innings caught, and Molina once every 229 innings caught. So all this time when you see Posey unable to block a ball, and you say "Molina would've had that", it should've been the other way around.

And obviously we don't need to talk about the hitting side of this comparison.

Just man up and admit that Posey is the better baseball player, or admit that you're a Cardinals homer.

BTW, the SABR defensive index thinks that Posey should win the GG this year.

http://sabr.org/latest/sabr-defensive-index-rankings-released-through-september-13-201

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by jrg:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by jrg:
Bourjos would make the roster mainly as a pinch runner and defensive substitution late in the game. He takes over for Holliday in LF late in games.

Grichuk and Pham would get most of the playing time in CF.

I get it. I just think his defense is overrated. I suppose its still way better than Holliday's though so I guess it makes sense. But I also think Jon Jay play better defense than Holliday too....and I would prefer everything else that Jon Jay would bring to the table over what Bourjos does.

I'd take Bourjos over Jay. Tommy Pham does everything Jay does, but even better. Jay has missed most of the season and just hasn't found his swing since coming back. Pham is hitting everything. I dunno how his defense is "overrated". He has made 1 error all year and is currently has a .992 fielding %.

Sure, he doesn't make too many errors....but he doesn't get to as many balls as a ton of other players. He gets terrible reads on balls. Holliday is the only outfielder on that little chart above that ranks worse than Bourjos in UZR...which he ranks 146th out of all outfielders who played at least 100 innings....which is awful.

Grichuk and Pham are both better outfielders, and I personally would play either one of them over Bourjos....even if its just as a defensive replacement.

Yeah I can only see Bourjos replacing Holliday late and pinch running. Grichuk and Pham will get all the playing time in CF. I think Bourjos makes the team, but I'd rather see Adams on the roster. Or Brandon Moss. Not sure about Carlos Villanueva either with possibly Wainwright AND Garcia in the bullpen.

Originally posted by Eli_23:
Best record in baseball means diddly squat! Postseason is where you LIVE or CHOKE.

Let's see what the Cards do this year.........................................................

Right. Its just funny because it makes you Giants fans so mad. Its hilarious.

But yeah, I'm excited for the post season!

42 games above .500 tonight?

Posey easily better then Molina.

lol

wtf

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Posey easily better then Molina.

lol

wtf

Of course he is, San Francisco Giants fan

Lol