Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by bayarealuv:
95.7 The GAME @957thegame
1h AS HEARD ON @957thegame - @Buster_ESPN says Aroldis Chapman is a "realistic option" for the #Giants bullpen
yes please!
Going to cost too much and isn't really what the team is missing to put it over the top right now. Would be dumb to trade for him unless they get him for a next to nothing which obviously isn't going to happen.
It definitely won't be cheap, but Chapman does have an extra year remaining on his deal which means he'll be available to pitch in our annual even-year run for a world title (thinking beyond this year). To get him, we'd have to give up one of our top prospects and a few mid-level guys, but to get a closer of his caliber on this team would be worth it.
I cant see CIncy taking anyone other than Beede as the center picee for Chapman. Plus more. You know that teams like Toronto and Chicago would be all in on him.
I'd give up Beede + one mid-level piece for 1.5 years of Chapman. It's definitely risky, but as much as I love me some Beede, he doesn't project as a top-of-the-rotation guy. I think he's a solid #3 or MAYBE in a perfect world, even a #2 which is really good, but he's not irreplaceable.
You have to give up something to get something, and to solidify our bullpen now and next year in exchange for the potential of a #3 in 2017+ seems very much worth it to me.
I wouldnt. WIth Crick looking like he could be a bust the Giants cant afford to trade very good SP prospects for a year of a RP. Anyway, I doubt CIncy would do that anyway. There will be lots of competition for Chapman from teams that have better prospects than the Giants have to offer.
Crick is definitely struggling with his mechanics right now (it's not like he's getting knocked around), but it's a bit early to write him off at 22. Jacob DeGrom (as an example, not trying to compare their potential) hadn't pitched an inning of minor league ball before the age of 24 and didn't hit the majors until 26. Crick's stuff is just as good as his and he's 5 years younger, meaning he's got plenty of time to work out his issues.
But to your point, Cincy needs young SP so you can't just dismiss that idea. Could they get someone better than Beede, maybe, but he's the guy I'd offer in exchange for Chapman. If that and a mid-level piece doesn't get the deal done then I'd walk away.
I didnt write Crick off at all. I simply said he could be a bust. He certainly is f**ked up right now though. I just think the Giants are lacking in top and middle of the order rotation prospects and I would be hesitant to trade our best (plus more) for a guy who can walk after next year. Relying on free agency for starting pitching is a losing propostion. Way too expensive and risky and the smart teams keep their top pitching prospects because of the control and cost.
Guess we can agree to disagree on this one.
I just don't think Beede is a make-or-break kind of talent. Not saying he's horrible because he's clearly not, but I think Bickford could be an even better version of Beede in 2-3 years. Chase Johnson's stuff is very similar to Beede and could develop into a poor man's version, as could Keury Mella. In fact, Adalberto Mejia is already a LH version of Beede IMO (low k-rates, low walk rates, pitch to contact kinda guy who throws low-to-mid 90's) for whatever that's worth.
Most importantly, all the guys mentioned are at the very least a notch above (in some cases, several notches) of what Heston was throughout his minor league career, and look what he's done so far. That's not even mentioning guys that could also be on a Heston-like trajectory, such as Stratton, Coonrod, Biagini, Blackburn and Blach and possibly young arm talent like Michael Santos and Logan Webb. Maybe Ray Black settles in at around 95-97, builds up arm strength and comes up as a starter (he's got the secondary offerings). That's not even factoring in Crick (whose raw stuff is better than all of the above save Black), who could still turn it around.
Point being, as valuable as Beede is to us, his true value might be as bait (IMO)...and the cupboard, though not running over, certainly isn't bare. To truly replenish our system though, we'll have to go through a few years of losing, and this team doesn't appear ready to do that just yet. So why not smartly leverage certain prospects now while you have key stars like Posey and MadBum in their primes, to make a few more runs at a ring?
Just my take, but like you said, we can agree to disagree.
[ Edited by GhostofFredDean74 on Jul 16, 2015 at 12:55 PM ]
