The San Francisco Giants Thread

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
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Originally posted by wailers15:

Originally posted by Frisco69ers:

Originally posted by Murphys1:
Adam Duvall last 5 games.....11 for 23, with 6 homers!

why we don't give him another shot is beyond me

lol simple..he can not hit big league pitching. & his defense is an issue. Sorry gents but this guy is one of those classic great Minor League Players, but not Big League Stuff.

Duvall has 73 official major league ABs and you're already writing him off? Sorry gent, but that's not very smart.

so you're saying he's the 2015 version of Brett Pill

I'm saying we don't know what he is yet. Duvall might be the 2015 version of Brett Pill or he might be the 2015 version of the Astros Chris Carter. It's too soon to tell.

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
I'm saying we don't know what he is yet. Duvall might be the 2015 version of Brett Pill or he might be the 2015 version of the Astros Chris Carter. It's too soon to tell.

I'm just saying, no one could see Duffy's potential either at the beginning.

Originally posted by Frisco69ers:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
I'm saying we don't know what he is yet. Duvall might be the 2015 version of Brett Pill or he might be the 2015 version of the Astros Chris Carter. It's too soon to tell.

I'm just saying, no one could see Duffy's potential either at the beginning.

Agreed, so I think we're kinda saying the same thing. Though I personally don't see Duvall turning into a Duffy-type player, I do think he has value within the organization. Just remains to be seen what exactly that is.

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:

Originally posted by Frisco69ers:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
I'm saying we don't know what he is yet. Duvall might be the 2015 version of Brett Pill or he might be the 2015 version of the Astros Chris Carter. It's too soon to tell.

I'm just saying, no one could see Duffy's potential either at the beginning.

Agreed, so I think we're kinda saying the same thing. Though I personally don't see Duvall turning into a Duffy-type player, I do think he has value within the organization. Just remains to be seen what exactly that is.

I'm thinking maybe we can use him in a trade package. Lots of teams are always looking for pitch hitting.

IMO, like Carter, Duvall has a marketable tool (power) that many teams covet, so adding him to a larger trade package does seem logical. He would never be the focal point of a trade nor is he likely to bring back game-changing talent, but he could help to net a complimentary veteran piece.

I just personally question the value of giving him PH at bats before the trade deadline. He's smoking hot right now and if he was to be included in a trade, his value wouldn't be any higher than it is right now. Give him some major league ABs now (which would be few and far between anyway) and you risk exposing him. After the trade deadline if his bat is needed or as a September call-up, sure, why not.

I also don't see how he fits into the long-term plans with 1st being occupied by Belt/Posey for the foreseeable future, and Duffy putting a death grip on 3rd. I guess PH/LF rotation is a possibility, but Mac Williamson seems to be a much more viable long-term candidate for that.

This is where you have to trust your own scouting not to mess up....how can we be sure Duvall isn't just a guy who took longer to figure things out, and now he can hit mlb pitching? With 35-40 homer power? That is rare, and since no established free agent slugger seems to want to play 81 games a season at ATT, we need to grow our own. We best be sure before giving up on a 26 year old with rare power that might just be a late bloomer. Odds are he's a AAAA player, but........I hate it when we have to look at a guy like Joe Nathan a few years ago and think how we used to have him, but got rid of him before we found out how good he was.

Originally posted by Murphys1:
This is where you have to trust your own scouting not to mess up....how can we be sure Duvall isn't just a guy who took longer to figure things out, and now he can hit mlb pitching? With 35-40 homer power? That is rare, and since no established free agent slugger seems to want to play 81 games a season at ATT, we need to grow our own. We best be sure before giving up on a 26 year old with rare power that might just be a late bloomer. Odds are he's a AAAA player, but........I hate it when we have to look at a guy like Joe Nathan a few years ago and think how we used to have him, but got rid of him before we found out how good he was.

But where do you put him? He's not really a legit 3rd baseman and with Duffy's development, he's not needed there. Belt and Posey will get 99% of the time at 1st, and Aoki is vital to this team as a lead-off man/catalyst in LF. Other than coming off the bench for a spot start or PH appearance, there's just no room for Duvall right now.

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
But where do you put him? He's not really a legit 3rd baseman and with Duffy's development, he's not needed there. Belt and Posey will get 99% of the time at 1st, and Aoki is vital to this team as a lead-off man/catalyst in LF. Other than coming off the bench for a spot start or PH appearance, there's just no room for Duvall right now.

Put him in LF and pray.

Originally posted by Garcia:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
But where do you put him? He's not really a legit 3rd baseman and with Duffy's development, he's not needed there. Belt and Posey will get 99% of the time at 1st, and Aoki is vital to this team as a lead-off man/catalyst in LF. Other than coming off the bench for a spot start or PH appearance, there's just no room for Duvall right now.

Put him in LF and pray.

Dear GofD.

Please refer to post #6529.

Thanks.

Originally posted by vrabbit:

Originally posted by Garcia:

Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
But where do you put him? He's not really a legit 3rd baseman and with Duffy's development, he's not needed there. Belt and Posey will get 99% of the time at 1st, and Aoki is vital to this team as a lead-off man/catalyst in LF. Other than coming off the bench for a spot start or PH appearance, there's just no room for Duvall right now.

Put him in LF and pray.

Dear GofD.

Please refer to post #6529.

Thanks.

I know, I know...

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Ken Rosenthal article.......

GREINKE'S NEXT TEAM: THEGIANTS?

If any team is the favorite to awardZack Greinke his next contract, it's the Dodgers. Greinke in fact, might only opt out of his deal at the end of the season to negotiate a higher guarantee with management, which currently owes him $71 million over the next three years.

Then again, Greinke turns 32 on Oct. 21 — and even though he is precisely the type of pitcher who should age well, the data-driven Dodgers might be reluctant to splurge on him.

In which case, why not the Giants?

Nearly $50 million is coming off the Giants' payroll at the end of the season, if you combine the salaries of Tim Lincecum, Tim Hudson, Marco Scutaro,Jeremy Affeldt, Ryan Vogelsong and Casey McGehee.

The Giants might want to retain one or two of those players, but they should have plenty of flexibility, even with other salaries rising. Greinke surely will want to remain with a competitive team. With the Giants, as with the Dodgers, he could operate in the shadow of an ace, though Madison Bumgarner is notClayton Kershaw.

One other thing: Greinke recently told USA Today that he admired the Giants players and couldn't decide whether to root for San Francisco or his original team, Kansas City, in last year's World Series.

The ultimate sucker move. Some team is going to lay out $25 million + per year for this guy for about 6 years until he's 38.

Remember Jason Schmidt? He helped drive the Dodgers into bankruptcy, another pitcher who would supposedly "age well". That would be their ultimate revenge on the Giants to have them bite on Greinke.

Don't see it happening.

Originally posted by wailers15:

Originally posted by Frisco69ers:

Originally posted by Murphys1:
Adam Duvall last 5 games.....11 for 23, with 6 homers!

why we don't give him another shot is beyond me

lol simple..he can not hit big league pitching. & his defense is an issue. Sorry gents but this guy is one of those classic great Minor League Players, but not Big League Stuff.

RIght because those 73 at bats were such a big sample size for you to determine he couldnt hit major league pitching. No one has ever struggled a bit the first time and then done well later when given another chance.

Originally posted by reno9er:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Ken Rosenthal article.......

GREINKE'S NEXT TEAM: THEGIANTS?

If any team is the favorite to awardZack Greinke his next contract, it's the Dodgers. Greinke in fact, might only opt out of his deal at the end of the season to negotiate a higher guarantee with management, which currently owes him $71 million over the next three years.

Then again, Greinke turns 32 on Oct. 21 — and even though he is precisely the type of pitcher who should age well, the data-driven Dodgers might be reluctant to splurge on him.

In which case, why not the Giants?

Nearly $50 million is coming off the Giants' payroll at the end of the season, if you combine the salaries of Tim Lincecum, Tim Hudson, Marco Scutaro,Jeremy Affeldt, Ryan Vogelsong and Casey McGehee.

The Giants might want to retain one or two of those players, but they should have plenty of flexibility, even with other salaries rising. Greinke surely will want to remain with a competitive team. With the Giants, as with the Dodgers, he could operate in the shadow of an ace, though Madison Bumgarner is notClayton Kershaw.

One other thing: Greinke recently told USA Today that he admired the Giants players and couldn't decide whether to root for San Francisco or his original team, Kansas City, in last year's World Series.

The ultimate sucker move. Some team is going to lay out $25 million + per year for this guy for about 6 years until he's 38.

Remember Jason Schmidt? He helped drive the Dodgers into bankruptcy, another pitcher who would supposedly "age well". That would be their ultimate revenge on the Giants to have them bite on Greinke.

Don't see it happening.

I dont see it happening either but I am with 99 on this one. I would prefer Greinke over Zimmerman, Price, or Cueto. The Giants will likely be a player for a FA top of the line starter. Why wouldnt they be when they wanted to pay over 200M for Lester and have Timmy, Vogelsong, and Hudson all leaving not to mention several other expiring contracts.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by reno9er:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Ken Rosenthal article.......

GREINKE'S NEXT TEAM: THEGIANTS?

If any team is the favorite to awardZack Greinke his next contract, it's the Dodgers. Greinke in fact, might only opt out of his deal at the end of the season to negotiate a higher guarantee with management, which currently owes him $71 million over the next three years.

Then again, Greinke turns 32 on Oct. 21 — and even though he is precisely the type of pitcher who should age well, the data-driven Dodgers might be reluctant to splurge on him.

In which case, why not the Giants?

Nearly $50 million is coming off the Giants' payroll at the end of the season, if you combine the salaries of Tim Lincecum, Tim Hudson, Marco Scutaro,Jeremy Affeldt, Ryan Vogelsong and Casey McGehee.

The Giants might want to retain one or two of those players, but they should have plenty of flexibility, even with other salaries rising. Greinke surely will want to remain with a competitive team. With the Giants, as with the Dodgers, he could operate in the shadow of an ace, though Madison Bumgarner is notClayton Kershaw.

One other thing: Greinke recently told USA Today that he admired the Giants players and couldn't decide whether to root for San Francisco or his original team, Kansas City, in last year's World Series.

The ultimate sucker move. Some team is going to lay out $25 million + per year for this guy for about 6 years until he's 38.

Remember Jason Schmidt? He helped drive the Dodgers into bankruptcy, another pitcher who would supposedly "age well". That would be their ultimate revenge on the Giants to have them bite on Greinke.

Don't see it happening.

I dont see it happening either but I am with 99 on this one. I would prefer Greinke over Zimmerman, Price, or Cueto. The Giants will likely be a player for a FA top of the line starter. Why wouldnt they be when they wanted to pay over 200M for Lester and have Timmy, Vogelsong, and Hudson all leaving not to mention several other expiring contracts.

Greinke over Zimmerman or Cueto I agree.

I think Price could be dominant at AT&T, and he's two years younger than Greinke. If it came down to the two of them, I would take Price.

But, these type of moves just aren't in the Giants DNA. I was kind of shocked at the flirt with Lester, I wonder if Evans and Sabean look back now and give the collective "whew" that they didn't sign him. Like I'm sure they have with Pablo.