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Originally posted by reno9er:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Ken Rosenthal article.......

GREINKE'S NEXT TEAM: THEGIANTS?

If any team is the favorite to awardZack Greinke his next contract, it's the Dodgers. Greinke in fact, might only opt out of his deal at the end of the season to negotiate a higher guarantee with management, which currently owes him $71 million over the next three years.

Then again, Greinke turns 32 on Oct. 21 — and even though he is precisely the type of pitcher who should age well, the data-driven Dodgers might be reluctant to splurge on him.

In which case, why not the Giants?

Nearly $50 million is coming off the Giants' payroll at the end of the season, if you combine the salaries of Tim Lincecum, Tim Hudson, Marco Scutaro,Jeremy Affeldt, Ryan Vogelsong and Casey McGehee.

The Giants might want to retain one or two of those players, but they should have plenty of flexibility, even with other salaries rising. Greinke surely will want to remain with a competitive team. With the Giants, as with the Dodgers, he could operate in the shadow of an ace, though Madison Bumgarner is notClayton Kershaw.

One other thing: Greinke recently told USA Today that he admired the Giants players and couldn't decide whether to root for San Francisco or his original team, Kansas City, in last year's World Series.


The ultimate sucker move. Some team is going to lay out $25 million + per year for this guy for about 6 years until he's 38.

Remember Jason Schmidt? He helped drive the Dodgers into bankruptcy, another pitcher who would supposedly "age well". That would be their ultimate revenge on the Giants to have them bite on Greinke.

Don't see it happening.

Disagree. If the Giants get 3 great years from him (which is not out of the question) and he helps them win 1-2 more titles within the span of the deal (even if he's a lesser pitcher towards the end), it would be worth it. This team is in great financial shape (unlike the Dodgers after Schmidt's contract expired) and is in a position to win multiple titles in the next few years IF they can get more top-shelf starting pitching.

So to me, the time to sign a guy like Greinke (or Zimmerman or Price) is now.
I would like Price. Younger, made a career of facing a tough hitting league. Dominant lefty. I'd take Greinke also of course.
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by reno9er:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Ken Rosenthal article.......

GREINKE'S NEXT TEAM: THEGIANTS?

If any team is the favorite to awardZack Greinke his next contract, it's the Dodgers. Greinke in fact, might only opt out of his deal at the end of the season to negotiate a higher guarantee with management, which currently owes him $71 million over the next three years.

Then again, Greinke turns 32 on Oct. 21 — and even though he is precisely the type of pitcher who should age well, the data-driven Dodgers might be reluctant to splurge on him.

In which case, why not the Giants?

Nearly $50 million is coming off the Giants' payroll at the end of the season, if you combine the salaries of Tim Lincecum, Tim Hudson, Marco Scutaro,Jeremy Affeldt, Ryan Vogelsong and Casey McGehee.

The Giants might want to retain one or two of those players, but they should have plenty of flexibility, even with other salaries rising. Greinke surely will want to remain with a competitive team. With the Giants, as with the Dodgers, he could operate in the shadow of an ace, though Madison Bumgarner is notClayton Kershaw.

One other thing: Greinke recently told USA Today that he admired the Giants players and couldn't decide whether to root for San Francisco or his original team, Kansas City, in last year's World Series.


The ultimate sucker move. Some team is going to lay out $25 million + per year for this guy for about 6 years until he's 38.

Remember Jason Schmidt? He helped drive the Dodgers into bankruptcy, another pitcher who would supposedly "age well". That would be their ultimate revenge on the Giants to have them bite on Greinke.

Don't see it happening.

Disagree. If the Giants get 3 great years from him (which is not out of the question) and he helps them win 1-2 more titles within the span of the deal (even if he's a lesser pitcher towards the end), it would be worth it. This team is in great financial shape (unlike the Dodgers after Schmidt's contract expired) and is in a position to win multiple titles in the next few years IF they can get more top-shelf starting pitching.

So to me, the time to sign a guy like Greinke (or Zimmerman or Price) is now.


Maybe. Zito basically turned out to be worth it, even though it wasn't apparent until 2012.

But if I'm laying out $25 + and my choice is Greinke, Zimmerman, Cueto, or Price, then I'm taking Price.
Originally posted by reno9er:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by reno9er:
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The ultimate sucker move. Some team is going to lay out $25 million + per year for this guy for about 6 years until he's 38.

Remember Jason Schmidt? He helped drive the Dodgers into bankruptcy, another pitcher who would supposedly "age well". That would be their ultimate revenge on the Giants to have them bite on Greinke.

Don't see it happening.

Disagree. If the Giants get 3 great years from him (which is not out of the question) and he helps them win 1-2 more titles within the span of the deal (even if he's a lesser pitcher towards the end), it would be worth it. This team is in great financial shape (unlike the Dodgers after Schmidt's contract expired) and is in a position to win multiple titles in the next few years IF they can get more top-shelf starting pitching.

So to me, the time to sign a guy like Greinke (or Zimmerman or Price) is now.


Maybe. Zito basically turned out to be worth it, even though it wasn't apparent until 2012.

But if I'm laying out $25 + and my choice is Greinke, Zimmerman, Cueto, or Price, then I'm taking Price.

Zito was never "worth it," but even his gross mediocrity didn't cripple the organization. I'd bet good money that guys like Greinke or Price will provide better value than Zito ever did, so I wouldn't be particularly concerned about those investments.
Hudson back, Machi designated for assignment
Originally posted by Rubberneck36:
Hudson back, Machi designated for assignment


About time.
Originally posted by reno9er:
About time.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexPavlovic/status/623288439585157122

Timmy has some hip problems.
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Originally posted by reno9er:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
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Disagree. If the Giants get 3 great years from him (which is not out of the question) and he helps them win 1-2 more titles within the span of the deal (even if he's a lesser pitcher towards the end), it would be worth it. This team is in great financial shape (unlike the Dodgers after Schmidt's contract expired) and is in a position to win multiple titles in the next few years IF they can get more top-shelf starting pitching.

So to me, the time to sign a guy like Greinke (or Zimmerman or Price) is now.


Maybe. Zito basically turned out to be worth it, even though it wasn't apparent until 2012.

But if I'm laying out $25 + and my choice is Greinke, Zimmerman, Cueto, or Price, then I'm taking Price.

Zito was never "worth it," but even his gross mediocrity didn't cripple the organization. I'd bet good money that guys like Greinke or Price will provide better value than Zito ever did, so I wouldn't be particularly concerned about those investments.


Disagree. We wouldn't have a trophy in 2012 without Zito. So I use your same logic that you state about Greinke..."if he helps them win 1-2 more titles within the span of the deal". Your words. Exactly what happened with Zito...he helped them win a title.

Like I said, fun to speculate but we will see what they actually do.
Aoki coming back this weekend?
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Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Aoki coming back this weekend?

If all goes well In Sacramento then yes.
Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Aoki coming back this weekend?

Starting a rehab assignment in Sac. Good sign.
Originally posted by Rubberneck36:
Hudson back, Machi designated for assignment

I think it was a given that this would happen.
Let's go Giants in SD!!...I'm on vacation for the next month so really looking forward to just relaxing and watching a lot of baseball at home.

Was able to work out a layover in SD when the Giants were there for the Padres opening series...hotel is right down in the Gaslamp by the ballpark so I went to the Friday night game. Then hit Lou and Mickey's one of my favorite steakhouses.

SD is a great place to catch the Giants if you can be there...a ton of Giant fans there.
[ Edited by reno9er on Jul 20, 2015 at 7:15 PM ]
Originally posted by reno9er:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
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Maybe. Zito basically turned out to be worth it, even though it wasn't apparent until 2012.

But if I'm laying out $25 + and my choice is Greinke, Zimmerman, Cueto, or Price, then I'm taking Price.

Zito was never "worth it," but even his gross mediocrity didn't cripple the organization. I'd bet good money that guys like Greinke or Price will provide better value than Zito ever did, so I wouldn't be particularly concerned about those investments.


Disagree. We wouldn't have a trophy in 2012 without Zito. So I use your same logic that you state about Greinke..."if he helps them win 1-2 more titles within the span of the deal". Your words. Exactly what happened with Zito...he helped them win a title.

Like I said, fun to speculate but we will see what they actually do.

You forgot the part where I said, "if they get 3 great years from him AND he helps them win 1-2 more titles"....I think most would agree that the Giants won in spite of Zito with that one glaring exception (2012 post season). Guys like Greinke, Price, etc., are apples to Zito's orange in that respect, don't you think?
[ Edited by GhostofFredDean74 on Jul 20, 2015 at 7:35 PM ]
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