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  • mayo49
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Originally posted by Niners99:
The Rockies arent trading Cargo to a division rival.

If they got a good enough deal they would.
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by Niners99:
The Rockies arent trading Cargo to a division rival.

If they got a good enough deal they would.

But why would the Giants do that? The last thing they want is to deal the Rockies a bunch of their own guys that could potentially beat them routinely for years to come.

Cargo gets injured way too often. Great player, but hes 30, hes injury prone, and he would be leaving the biggest hitters park in baseball for the biggest pitchers park in baseball.

Doesnt exactly scream "trending up".
[ Edited by Niners99 on Jul 31, 2015 at 2:37 AM ]
  • mayo49
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Originally posted by Niners99:
But why would the Giants do that? The last thing they want is to deal the Rockies a bunch of their own guys that could potentially beat them routinely for years to come.

Cargo gets injured way too often. Great player, but hes 30, hes injury prone, and he would be leaving the biggest hitters park in baseball for the biggest pitchers park in baseball.

Doesnt exactly scream "trending up".

Yeah, I agree, I don't think the Giants do it unless it's a much younger Car Go. As far as giving them players, getting Carlos would also be hurting the Rockies. so it goes both ways.
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by Niners99:
But why would the Giants do that? The last thing they want is to deal the Rockies a bunch of their own guys that could potentially beat them routinely for years to come.

Cargo gets injured way too often. Great player, but hes 30, hes injury prone, and he would be leaving the biggest hitters park in baseball for the biggest pitchers park in baseball.

Doesnt exactly scream "trending up".

Yeah, I agree, I don't think the Giants do it unless it's a much younger Car Go. As far as giving them players, getting Carlos would also be hurting the Rockies. so it goes both ways.

Theyre rebuilding anyways. Cargo probably has 2-3 years left as an impact type player. By the time the Rockies are ready to win again, Cargo wouldnt be a big threat anymore.

Career .326 hitter at Coors, but .257 hitter away from Coors.
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by Niners99:
But why would the Giants do that? The last thing they want is to deal the Rockies a bunch of their own guys that could potentially beat them routinely for years to come.

Cargo gets injured way too often. Great player, but hes 30, hes injury prone, and he would be leaving the biggest hitters park in baseball for the biggest pitchers park in baseball.

Doesnt exactly scream "trending up".

Yeah, I agree, I don't think the Giants do it unless it's a much younger Car Go. As far as giving them players, getting Carlos would also be hurting the Rockies. so it goes both ways.

Theyre rebuilding anyways. Cargo probably has 2-3 years left as an impact type player. By the time the Rockies are ready to win again, Cargo wouldnt be a big threat anymore.

Career .326 hitter at Coors, but .257 hitter away from Coors.

of course players hit better at Coors.

Tulo-.321 at home, .276 away
Todd Helton at home .345 at home, .287 away
[ Edited by valrod33 on Jul 31, 2015 at 4:40 AM ]
Woke up and saw the trade. Duvall going there is good for him, doesnt really impact us. I dont see him getting a chance with us so thats a win. Didnt give up Beede or Crick, which is nice. Gave up a solid prospect though for a rental. But Leake is tough and a quality SP. Really improves our chances, especially now that Huddy is out of the rotation.

I am good with the trade. I think it will make us better. I hope Leake falls in love with the SF crowd and team like others do and wants to return, because he will be costly in the offseason.
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by Niners99:
The Rockies arent trading Cargo to a division rival.

If they got a good enough deal they would.

But why would the Giants do that? The last thing they want is to deal the Rockies a bunch of their own guys that could potentially beat them routinely for years to come.

Cargo gets injured way too often. Great player, but hes 30, hes injury prone, and he would be leaving the biggest hitters park in baseball for the biggest pitchers park in baseball.

Doesnt exactly scream "trending up".
I'll take jay Bruce and stick him in left before cargo, plus I think our front office is content with our starters
Originally posted by valrod33:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by mayo49:
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Yeah, I agree, I don't think the Giants do it unless it's a much younger Car Go. As far as giving them players, getting Carlos would also be hurting the Rockies. so it goes both ways.

Theyre rebuilding anyways. Cargo probably has 2-3 years left as an impact type player. By the time the Rockies are ready to win again, Cargo wouldnt be a big threat anymore.

Career .326 hitter at Coors, but .257 hitter away from Coors.

of course players hit better at Coors.

Tulo-.321 at home, .276 away
Todd Helton at home .345 at home, .287 away

Yeah, except .276 and .287 on the road are decent averages. .257 is not.

Obviously Coors inflates numbers, but my point was about his career road numbers being pretty poor, and how that would reflect in his overall numbers with what he would do in a hitters graveyard for a home park instead.
Originally posted by Rubberneck36:
Woke up and saw the trade. Duvall going there is good for him, doesnt really impact us. I dont see him getting a chance with us so thats a win. Didnt give up Beede or Crick, which is nice. Gave up a solid prospect though for a rental. But Leake is tough and a quality SP. Really improves our chances, especially now that Huddy is out of the rotation.

I am good with the trade. I think it will make us better. I hope Leake falls in love with the SF crowd and team like others do and wants to return, because he will be costly in the offseason.

Hes from CA, hes got ties with Bochy going back to childhood in SD, and hes leaving a bandbox for a pitchers park. I think hes thrilled with this deal.

Throw in that the Giants are like the gold standard for MLB teams right now, and I think Leake is going to be very willing to stay in SF after this season.

It depends on what he does down the stretch, but he will be a relatively cheap option for a 27-28 year old SP with his type of ability. 5/70 is probably what hes worth, which isnt bad.
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Rubberneck36:
Woke up and saw the trade. Duvall going there is good for him, doesnt really impact us. I dont see him getting a chance with us so thats a win. Didnt give up Beede or Crick, which is nice. Gave up a solid prospect though for a rental. But Leake is tough and a quality SP. Really improves our chances, especially now that Huddy is out of the rotation.

I am good with the trade. I think it will make us better. I hope Leake falls in love with the SF crowd and team like others do and wants to return, because he will be costly in the offseason.

Hes from CA, hes got ties with Bochy going back to childhood in SD, and hes leaving a bandbox for a pitchers park. I think hes thrilled with this deal.

Throw in that the Giants are like the gold standard for MLB teams right now, and I think Leake is going to be very willing to stay in SF after this season.

It depends on what he does down the stretch, but he will be a relatively cheap option for a 27-28 year old SP with his type of ability. 5/70 is probably what hes worth, which isnt bad.
If Homer Bailey can get 100M you better believe Leake who is better than bailey can too
Duvall could become one of those 30 HR dudes with a .212 average we see sometimes. He could definitely make that ballpark look small. And, depending if Leake signs back with us or not, I think this was a fine deal regarding Mella. What are the odds Mella even becomes the pitcher Leake has become? 20%? 30%? We know Leake is pretty good...a solid major league arm and makeup...and bat. If we resign him, great deal, to me. If we don't, but he helps us well into the playoffs, worthy gamble. Still, don't want to see Duvall blow up.
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Rubberneck36:
Woke up and saw the trade. Duvall going there is good for him, doesnt really impact us. I dont see him getting a chance with us so thats a win. Didnt give up Beede or Crick, which is nice. Gave up a solid prospect though for a rental. But Leake is tough and a quality SP. Really improves our chances, especially now that Huddy is out of the rotation.

I am good with the trade. I think it will make us better. I hope Leake falls in love with the SF crowd and team like others do and wants to return, because he will be costly in the offseason.

Hes from CA, hes got ties with Bochy going back to childhood in SD, and hes leaving a bandbox for a pitchers park. I think hes thrilled with this deal.

Throw in that the Giants are like the gold standard for MLB teams right now, and I think Leake is going to be very willing to stay in SF after this season.

It depends on what he does down the stretch, but he will be a relatively cheap option for a 27-28 year old SP with his type of ability. 5/70 is probably what hes worth, which isnt bad.

yeah but with the money we were throwing at Shields and Lester, locking up Leake long term should be easy
[ Edited by Frisco69ers on Jul 31, 2015 at 7:17 AM ]
Originally posted by Niners99:
Hes from CA, hes got ties with Bochy going back to childhood in SD, and hes leaving a bandbox for a pitchers park. I think hes thrilled with this deal.

Throw in that the Giants are like the gold standard for MLB teams right now, and I think Leake is going to be very willing to stay in SF after this season.

It depends on what he does down the stretch, but he will be a relatively cheap option for a 27-28 year old SP with his type of ability. 5/70 is probably what hes worth, which isnt bad.

First, he is from CA but he is from San Diego. Thats a big difference, and still requires a flight. So I agree, but that doesnt really mean anything. Plus it is a business, and CA is tax heavy on people who make a lot of money.

But he will get more than 70M bruh.
Originally posted by Rubberneck36:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Hes from CA, hes got ties with Bochy going back to childhood in SD, and hes leaving a bandbox for a pitchers park. I think hes thrilled with this deal.

Throw in that the Giants are like the gold standard for MLB teams right now, and I think Leake is going to be very willing to stay in SF after this season.

It depends on what he does down the stretch, but he will be a relatively cheap option for a 27-28 year old SP with his type of ability. 5/70 is probably what hes worth, which isnt bad.

First, he is from CA but he is from San Diego. Thats a big difference, and still requires a flight. So I agree, but that doesnt really mean anything. Plus it is a business, and CA is tax heavy on people who make a lot of money.

But he will get more than 70M bruh.

He will get WAY more than 70M if he pitches well in the next 2 months in a playoff race. He may be a cheaper option than Cueto, Greinke, or Price but he wont be cheap. I would guess 100 for 6 years as a minimum

We have no idea what will be the motivating factor for Leake. Why on earth would Robbie Cano leave NY and a great hitters park to go to a terrible franchise in Seattle. One thing.. $$$$$$. Now, if the Giants are the highest bidder or close than he probably will stay but its usually about the money.
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
So the Giants have seen several teams make moves to strengthen their chances and havent done anything. Look for that to change tomorrow. Mike Leake will be a Giant sometime in the next 18 hours.

So if this does happen the question is .... how much will they have to give up?

Mike Leake is kind of the losers prize of this years deadline. I certainly hope we dont give up anything good.

99.. You really changed your tune quickly on Leake!
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