Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Rubberneck36:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by Rubberneck36:
Timmy's velocity went from 95-96 to 88, so his junk of the plate was easier to pick up. Way Less swing and misses, forcing him to throw over the plate. I can understand why his dominance is over.
Cain still throws 92-93 so his doesn't make near as much sense. Other than he has no command on his breaking pitches anymore. I really don't know why he can't resume being a good starter. Not saying he can be a #1 anymore, but he doesn't even look like a number 5.
To be fair, this is only his 7th start after being out injured for a really long time. He hasnt had a full healthy season since 2013. There is probably still a lot of rust.
Yeah, that's what I keep telling myself.
He always was kind of a smoke and mirrors pitcher. Relied heavily on the fly ball, and somehow kept them in the park. His sabermetric predictors always said he was pretty lucky with contact. He relied on control to make up for his flat fastball. He just doesnt have the command right now, so hes either outside the zone, or tossing fat pitches.
Hopefully with more time he can get his mechanics sound again and get back in the vicinity of what he used to be.
All I know is, I wouldnt be surprised if we signed a big fish SP in the offseason, AS WELL as Mike Leake. Our rotation looks so old and sad now.
I see Cain's ceiling as a #3 starter if he can gain most of the form he had before. Not sure about the big fish. Really Price and Greinke are the only 2 guys who I would want to spend big big money on and truly doubt they would go after one of those guys AND Leake.
They were going to drop 155 on Lester, so I dont think 180-190 on Price or Greinke is out of the question. We need it bad.
As far as Leake, hes a very solid young pitcher that will likely get around 70 mil, which is kind of a bargain in todays market.
With a lot of cash coming off the books, and a glaring need at SP, I could see the Giants using the spoils of their success to bolster the rotation for the next 5 years.
Bumgarner
Price
Leake
Heston
Cain
What a difference that would make. Especially with Beede and/or Bickford jumping in down the road.
I think the competition for David Price is going to push him at a # that is scary. He is a much better pitcher than Jon Lester and will command way more. Your idea is good and it would make the rotation solid but I just doubt the Giants will be signing 2 of the top 5 free agent SPS. I also think Leake is getting more than 70M
