OFFICIAL: 2015 & 2016 NBA Finals Thread - Cleveland Cavaliers vs Golden State Warriors

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
This is where I have a major problem with some of these advanced stats. NO ONE who watched this series would ever tell you that David Lee or Harrison Barnes played better than Tristan Thompson. Also, I dont think many think the Cavs were better without Kyrie. Just that it wouldnt have mattered in the end.

advance stats are like a*****es



Its fun playing with them at first, but used enough it just falls apart

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
This is where I have a major problem with some of these advanced stats. NO ONE who watched this series would ever tell you that David Lee or Harrison Barnes played better than Tristan Thompson. Also, I dont think many think the Cavs were better without Kyrie. Just that it wouldnt have mattered in the end.

advance stats are like a*****es



Its fun playing with them at first, but used enough it just falls apart

That's awesome.

Originally posted by 4ML:
Definitely. I want Wesley Mathews or Danny Green or DeMarre Carroll (though I think Carroll is going to be out of Cavs range).

Both Mathews and Green would be great additions. Very good shooters and they defend.

What about Joe Harris already on the roster, can he play? Don't know much about him other than he can shoot.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by 4ML:
Definitely. I want Wesley Mathews or Danny Green or DeMarre Carroll (though I think Carroll is going to be out of Cavs range).

Both Mathews and Green would be great additions. Very good shooters and they defend.

What about Joe Harris already on the roster, can he play? Don't know much about him other than he can shoot.

Can't defend...but yes, he should be in rotation during the regular season - not sure about the playoffs.

WARP is nothing more than a box score metric. I greatly value advanced data, but there's been this slavish devotion toward amalgamated box score statistics. Then you give very similar stats (that are almost entirely based on box scores) multiple different names (PER, WS, BPM, WARP, etc), and it becomes an echo chamber.

Like all rating systems based on box-score data, WARP cannot account for contributions that are not tracked in the box score, most notably on defense. It does no better than linear weights methods at evaluating players like Bruce Bowen. Also, it requires a number of assumptions - the value of assists, the trade-off between usage and efficiency, and replacement level. - The Dude Who Created WARP for basketball http://www.sonicscentral.com/warp.html

Originally posted by LA9erFan:
WARP is nothing more than a box score metric. I greatly value advanced data, but there's been this slavish devotion toward amalgamated box score statistics. Then you give very similar stats (that are almost entirely based on box scores) multiple different names (PER, WS, BPM, WARP, etc), and it becomes an echo chamber.

Like all rating systems based on box-score data, WARP cannot account for contributions that are not tracked in the box score, most notably on defense. It does no better than linear weights methods at evaluating players like Bruce Bowen. Also, it requires a number of assumptions - the value of assists, the trade-off between usage and efficiency, and replacement level. - The Dude Who Created WARP for basketball http://www.sonicscentral.com/warp.html

...and I mentioned that in my reply to John.

Never claimed the stat was perfect.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by jacklegniner:
"For the entire Finals the Cavs' offensive rating was 93.8 points per 100 possessions. With James on the floor it jumped to 97.3. With James off the floor, it fell to 50.9. The Cavs scored 51 points per 100 possessions when James was on the bench. They were inept without him on the court. He only sat for a total of 23 minutes over the course of six games, during which time the Cavs made just six field goals."

Not sure if I should be amazed at James or shocked the Cavs at least turned it into a series or disgusted at the supporting cast.

Lebron had an all-time great NBA Finals. It's hilarious some ppl are tryin' to knock his performance. Warriors were just too good...this year.

LeBron averaged 30.1 points, 11.3 rebounds, 8.5 assists throughout the playoffs this year.

LeBron finished the postseason with 601 points, 226 rebounds, 169 assists.
Nobody's ever done that.

Lebron lead both teams in Points, Assists, and Rebounds in the NBA Finals.
Nobody's ever done that.

I am not surprised by those stats, and I'm not going to hold them in such high regards for a couple different reasons.

GS, the first 4 games, played poorly. You can argue that GS just isn't a good team or that the Cavs defense was that good. If GS's offense would've clicked those first 4 games, Cavs would've been lucky to get one win. Lebron missed around 20 shots every game. Scoring wise, he wasn't efficient and neither was his team, and in the end the NBA is about scoring, just like any other sport.

Also, he wouldn't have put up those kind of numbers if Irvin / Love was there. He had to carry the whole offense by himself, so of course he's going to get every assist and he's going to score. And when the 4th quarter or OT came around he's very inconsistent. I doubt if MJ took 35 shots every game, he would've averaged just 35 ppg, more like in the mid 40s. MJ was averaging 30-35 ppg while only taking 20-25 shots a game. Averaging just 1 point per shot is not efficient.

It was a great performance and he did the best with his abilities and the teams abilities, but, imo it isn't the greatest performance I've seen before. There are plenty of players in the NBA who can average 1 point per shot. Lebron is probably the greatest all round player, but he isn't anywhere close to being a great scorer.

Steph Curry is the first 1st Team, All-NBA player to beat each of the other 4 1st Team, All-NBA members in a single postseason in NBA history.

Originally posted by SofaKing:
Both Mathews and Green would be great additions. Very good shooters and they defend.

What about Joe Harris already on the roster, can he play? Don't know much about him other than he can shoot.

I read Matthews, Green, and Carroll are going to cost around $12M/yr so definitely not cheap options and very few teams can be more than one of these guys.

Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Steph Curry is the first 1st Team, All-NBA player to beat each of the other 4 1st Team, All-NBA members in a single postseason in NBA history.

Yup. That's pretty incredible, and some people in the media claim the Warriors didn't have to beat anybody lol

Maybe they were so good, they made it look easy.

Originally posted by Arminini:
I read Matthews, Green, and Carroll are going to cost around $12M/yr so definitely not cheap options and very few teams can be more than one of these guys.

Yup, Carroll should cash in big-time. Same with Matthews, although his injury could concern some teams.

I would LOL hard if Danny Green got $12M tho. Draymond Green, yes.

Originally posted by LA9erFan:

Steph Curry is the first 1st Team, All-NBA player to beat each of the other 4 1st Team, All-NBA members in a single postseason in NBA history.

I heard he is the only season mvp to win the championship and not win the finals mvp.

Originally posted by StOnEy333:
I heard he is the only season mvp to win the championship and not win the finals mvp.

Steph really should have been MVP imo. He averaged 26-5-6 while being double-teamed every time he touched the ball. His presence on the floor got others great looks. I swear every time when he passed out of a double-team, the guy receiving the pass was on an island all by himself.

I can understand Iggy getting the award tho. Moving him to the starting lineup and playing small completely changed the series. If not for that move, the Cavs might have pulled off the upset. Great call by Kerr and his staff. If the coaches could get MVP, he would be in consideration as well.

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by LA9erFan:
Steph Curry is the first 1st Team, All-NBA player to beat each of the other 4 1st Team, All-NBA members in a single postseason in NBA history.

I heard he is the only season mvp to win the championship and not win the finals mvp.

Nope.

Magic took it from Kareem in the finals. (kareem got hurt)