2017 NBA Off-Season Thread

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Lulz -- Helmet the only person in the world who wouldn't trade IT for Kyrie straight up. Nothing you can say will ever change his mind. Lulz.

Show me where I said that. Get off my nuts. You are constantly calling me out on things I never once said.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 4ML:
Cavs and Celtics should redo the deal.

Injured IT, Jaylen Brown and Jae Crowder for Irving sounds about right at this point.

I think boston should just pull out of the trade....f the cavs and force them to deal with two disgruntled players....

Right. Im sure Thomas and Crowder will be happy campers in Boston.

It does neither team any good to pull out of this trade. Boston should simply give up an additional 1st rd pick that wont be a lottery selection. Wont hurt them at all and it probably would get the deal done.

That's business...professionals don't take that as personal....big difference over a player demanding a trade.

None of the players will be happy. However, I can also assure you that Kyrie isnt going to be so upset that he will sit out and sacrifice 230K per game as you suggested. NOT gonna happen. If the trade doesnt go through (and he doesnt go elsewhere) he will play for the Cavs and likely get back to the NBA FInals once again

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
None of the players will be happy. However, I can also assure you that Kyrie isnt going to be so upset that he will sit out and sacrifice 230K per game as you suggested. NOT gonna happen. If the trade doesnt go through (and he doesnt go elsewhere) he will play for the Cavs and likely get back to the NBA FInals once again

yup

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:

Lulz -- Helmet the only person in the world who wouldn't trade IT for Kyrie straight up. Nothing you can say will ever change his mind. Lulz.

Show me where I said that. Get off my nuts. You are constantly calling me out on things I never once said.

lulz helmut being technical helmut.

LOL as a warriors fan I like the implosion both these teams are having. If the deal doesn't go through then it will be awkward for everyone.

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Lulz -- Helmet the only person in the world who wouldn't trade IT for Kyrie straight up. Nothing you can say will ever change his mind. Lulz.

Show me where I said that. Get off my nuts. You are constantly calling me out on things I never once said.

lulz helmut being technical helmut.

That's what I thought.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:

Lulz -- Helmet the only person in the world who wouldn't trade IT for Kyrie straight up. Nothing you can say will ever change his mind. Lulz.

Show me where I said that. Get off my nuts. You are constantly calling me out on things I never once said.

lulz helmut being technical helmut.

That's what I thought.

Yes I know, very rudimentary thoughts hence your inability to comprehend.

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Lulz -- Helmet the only person in the world who wouldn't trade IT for Kyrie straight up. Nothing you can say will ever change his mind. Lulz.

Show me where I said that. Get off my nuts. You are constantly calling me out on things I never once said.

lulz helmut being technical helmut.

That's what I thought.

Yes I know, very rudimentary thoughts hence your inability to comprehend.

You specifically called ME out and made a claim that I said something that I didn't. When I told you to show me where I said that, you resort to childish insults and deflection. But its me that has an inability to comprehend.

Got it.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by fortyninerglory:
Lulz -- Helmet the only person in the world who wouldn't trade IT for Kyrie straight up. Nothing you can say will ever change his mind. Lulz.

Show me where I said that. Get off my nuts. You are constantly calling me out on things I never once said.

lulz helmut being technical helmut.

That's what I thought.

Yes I know, very rudimentary thoughts hence your inability to comprehend.

You specifically called ME out and made a claim that I said something that I didn't. When I told you to show me where I said that, you resort to childish insults and deflection. But its me that has an inability to comprehend.

Got it.

Hey I got you to smile. Surprised you're responding here too. Typically you ignore my posts especially when you know you can't beat the argument and now getting in the last word...you can have it, must have really lit a fire somewhere this time

Originally posted by jcs:
I think boston should just pull out of the trade....f the cavs and force them to deal with two disgruntled players....

This, not sure how they weren't up-front about IT's injury issues. Dan Gilbert is a f**king moron.

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by jcs:
I think boston should just pull out of the trade....f the cavs and force them to deal with two disgruntled players....

This, not sure how they weren't up-front about IT's injury issues. Dan Gilbert is a f**king moron.

Except that does nothing for BOS. If they remain the same, BOS still lacks that superstar to put them over the top and CLE is still the favorite to win the East, with or without 1 disgruntled player. Nobody other than BOS can really compete with CLE right now and BOS isn't as close as people think. They want Kyrie, bad, so I highly doubt they just pull out and deal with their own disgruntled players in IT and Crowder

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by jcs:
I think boston should just pull out of the trade....f the cavs and force them to deal with two disgruntled players....

This, not sure how they weren't up-front about IT's injury issues. Dan Gilbert is a f**king moron.

Except that does nothing for BOS. If they remain the same, BOS still lacks that superstar to put them over the top and CLE is still the favorite to win the East, with or without 1 disgruntled player. Nobody other than BOS can really compete with CLE right now and BOS isn't as close as people think. They want Kyrie, bad, so I highly doubt they just pull out and deal with their own disgruntled players in IT and Crowder

Bos was the only team offering that high a draft pick for Kyrie...IT wasn't a long term answer for Cleveland as it is and now they have to deal with not one but two disgruntled players. Gotta get it fixed soon because that mindset is like a disease it will spread quickly and they are already dealing with the issue of Lebron possibly leaving in 2018. Bos on the other hand has key pieces for the future and draft picks...they I'm sure also realize that GS is probably taking it this year so they are planning to make a play for 2019 and beyond.

Originally posted by jcs:

Bos was the only team offering that high a draft pick for Kyrie...IT wasn't a long term answer for Cleveland as it is and now they have to deal with not one but two disgruntled players. Gotta get it fixed soon because that mindset is like a disease it will spread quickly and they are already dealing with the issue of Lebron possibly leaving in 2018. Bos on the other hand has key pieces for the future and draft picks...they I'm sure also realize that GS is probably taking it this year so they are planning to make a play for 2019 and beyond.

The Nets draft pick is probably the most valuable pick available for a trade in 2018 (but it's less valuable than picks owned by really bad teams who control their destiny and can choose to lose 70 games). The Nets may not finish with a top 5 pick because there are at least 10 teams with an incentive to tank this year who have no shot at making a run in the playoffs and the draft is top heavy. Any other team that trades their pick loses the incentive to lose.

That Nets pick is probably the most valuable asset the Cavs were ever going to get back in a trade, but it's not a guaranteed top 5 pick which is why the Celtics were willing to deal it. If Boston throws in an early 2nd round pick or late 1st, I think this trade still happens.

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by jcs:
I think boston should just pull out of the trade....f the cavs and force them to deal with two disgruntled players....

This, not sure how they weren't up-front about IT's injury issues. Dan Gilbert is a f**king moron.

Except that does nothing for BOS. If they remain the same, BOS still lacks that superstar to put them over the top and CLE is still the favorite to win the East, with or without 1 disgruntled player. Nobody other than BOS can really compete with CLE right now and BOS isn't as close as people think. They want Kyrie, bad, so I highly doubt they just pull out and deal with their own disgruntled players in IT and Crowder

Boston has 8 1st round picks in the next 3 years. They can build it the old fashioned way. It would just take longer. Also, why is Cleveland the only team they can deal with now or in the future? They have more bargaining chips than any team in the league, and this off season some of the top stars in the league were available. In truth, it is still the Cavs that have less leverage in this proposed transaction. What I think is this is Koby Altman showing that he is a bit of a naive newby. If he screws around too much and this deal falls apart he and will look foolish. Cleveland is a freaking dumpster fire, and it starts at the very top. Gilbert is probably the worst owner in the league now that Sterling is gone.

Originally posted by jcs:
I think boston should just pull out of the trade....f the cavs and force them to deal with two disgruntled players....

I agree with this.

Putting aside that they already agreed to give up more for Kyrie than The Pacers and Bulls got COMBINED for Paul George and Jimmy Butler, they have all the leverage here. Have you seen the offer the Bucks supposedly offered the Cavs? Far less than what the Celtics agreed to, injured IT or not.

Cavs have no cards to play here. If they dont complete this trade, good luck getting anything close to that value from another team.