2017 NBA Off-Season Thread

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Why are Lakers looking to give up so much on PG trade?

Makes no sense. I don't know why they will do that.

Sure it does, teams will give Indy a garbage offer just to have George for a rental and try to convince him to stick around after the season. By trading away pieces that they have to get rid of anyways, the Lakers get a jump on the whole situation.

To have space for two max FA's next year, Clarkson, Randle and Lopez all need to GTFO. I think ultimately the PG trade will get worked out with Randle plus two 1st rounders going back to Indy.

PG said he is going there anyways. They should sit and wait and not trade any picks away.

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

PG said he is going there anyways. They should sit and wait and not trade any picks away.

The point is that things change. Say Boston or Cleveland trade for him, they go deep into the playoffs and he decides he'd rather stay with an already competitive team instead of going to a still struggling super young team?


If I am Lakers, I know that I have to dump Clarkson and Randle anyways to have space for two max free agents so why worry about giving one of them and a couple late picks up to secure the guy you want?

Originally posted by 4ML:

Lopez is expiring contract. So, they don't HAVE to do something there.

Yeah they do, you need to read the reports from LA beat writers. If they trade Clarkson, let Randle walk(FA due a big raise in 2018), renounce Lopez and use the stretch provision on Deng they will have room to add two max
FA's.


They can't do that if they keep any one of those guys.(Clarkson, Randle and Lopez)


Also once again, nobody is trading for Deng, not at his salary and current performance level, not for late 1st round picks with Hinkie no longer an NBA GM. The Lakers are stuck with him for the foreseeable future.


I mean if they are willing to give up Ingram some team would take both off their hands but otherwise two very late 1st rounders isn't moving the dial and those have seemingly been allocated to a Paul George trade anyways.


It was reported by Marc Stein that the Lakers offered both 1st rounders plus Clarkson for PG already.

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine

Can the Lakers now land Paul George by offering Thursday's No. 27 and 28 picks and either Julius Randle or Jordan Clarkson? They're trying

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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
PG said he is going there anyways. They should sit and wait and not trade any picks away.

The point is that things change. Say Boston or Cleveland trade for him, they go deep into the playoffs and he decides he'd rather stay with an already competitive team instead of going to a still struggling super young team?

If I am Lakers, I know that I have to dump Clarkson and Randle anyways to have space for two max free agents so why worry about giving one of them and a couple late picks up to secure the guy you want?

Im torn. I love the move to rid of mozzys contract and get the cancer out of LA, but moving too much for PG when he wants to come is stuff to swallow.

That said, 27 + 28 picks are only valuable as a package if you can get a top 15 pick. The chances of getting 2 rotational players that late in first round are very, very slim. IND knows this, thats why they are looking for so much.

I have a question. Just making sure I am not missing something. The Lakers trade Russell which makes it seem like drafting Ball is a lock. But then I hear that they were looking to trade out of the 2nd spot for the Kings 5th and 10th ... hence, not guaranteeing Ball would still be there. Was the proposed Kings trade prior to the actual trade with the Nets? Or is it possible the Lakers figured Ball might still be there at 5, and if not Fox would be?

Just wondering about the timing of these moves (proposed and actual). If the offer to the Kings was after they traded Russell, it seems like they don't value Ball enough to ensure they get him. What is the thought on this?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

PG said he is going there anyways. They should sit and wait and not trade any picks away.

The point is that things change. Say Boston or Cleveland trade for him, they go deep into the playoffs and he decides he'd rather stay with an already competitive team instead of going to a still struggling super young team?


If I am Lakers, I know that I have to dump Clarkson and Randle anyways to have space for two max free agents so why worry about giving one of them and a couple late picks up to secure the guy you want?

And they can change vice versa.

Dwight Howard rented for one year and didn't work out , a la Kobe

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

And they can change vice versa.

Dwight Howard rented for one year and didn't work out , a la Kobe

Its more likely that George ends up staying, which is why the Lakers are looking to get a trade done right now. Get him and you have a core of George, Ball and Ingram with the ability to potentially add two max free agents next summer.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

And they can change vice versa.

Dwight Howard rented for one year and didn't work out , a la Kobe

Its more likely that George ends up staying, which is why the Lakers are looking to get a trade done right now. Get him and you have a core of George, Ball and Ingram with the ability to potentially add two max free agents next summer.

That's what they said about Howard as well.

Lakers aren't in a win now mode like Clevelañd was with the Love trade or Lakers with Howard trade.

They should offer very little and not bend over backwards.

Originally posted by Bluesbro:
I have a question. Just making sure I am not missing something. The Lakers trade Russell which makes it seem like drafting Ball is a lock. But then I hear that they were looking to trade out of the 2nd spot for the Kings 5th and 10th ... hence, not guaranteeing Ball would still be there. Was the proposed Kings trade prior to the actual trade with the Nets? Or is it possible the Lakers figured Ball might still be there at 5, and if not Fox would be?

Just wondering about the timing of these moves (proposed and actual). If the offer to the Kings was after they traded Russell, it seems like they don't value Ball enough to ensure they get him. What is the thought on this?

I think the Lakers know that either Ball or Fox would be there at #5. I personally think Fox will be the better player anyway but that remains to be seen. If the Lakers could get 2 top talents on rookie deals and add them to George, Ingram, and 2 Max Players in the off season they would be well on their way to being an NBA contender again.

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

That's what they said about Howard as well.

Lakers aren't in a win now mode like Clevelañd was with the Love trade or Lakers with Howard trade.

They should offer very little and not bend over backwards.

It feels like you're just arguing to argue. Nothing is guaranteed. The Lakers could keep both Randle and Clarkson along with their crappy picks and get absolutely nothing in free agency next year and be tanking for yet another season. Neither Clarkson or Randle are game-changing players. Its far from bending over backwards to offer one and two very late picks.


If you have a chance at securing a guy like George for relatively minor compensation, you do it and figure the rest out later which is exactly what LA seems to be doing.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

That's what they said about Howard as well.

Lakers aren't in a win now mode like Clevelañd was with the Love trade or Lakers with Howard trade.

They should offer very little and not bend over backwards.

It feels like you're just arguing to argue. Nothing is guaranteed. The Lakers could keep both Randle and Clarkson along with their crappy picks and get absolutely nothing in free agency next year and be tanking for yet another season. Neither Clarkson or Randle are game-changing players. Its far from bending over backwards to offer one and two very late picks.


If you have a chance at securing a guy like George for relatively minor compensation, you do it and figure the rest out later which is exactly what LA seems to be doing.

Of course you trade George for minor compensation..... but a bunch of young pieces and 2 first round picks is not minor compensation For a possible rental

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Of course you trade George for minor compensation..... but a bunch of young pieces and 2 first round picks is not minor compensation For a possible rental

What is this bunch of young pieces that you are speaking of? Also two very late 1st rounders hold little value, they arent sending lottery picks.

Originally posted by nothing03:
Clippers want to trade Jordan for the Suns 4th Pick and Tyson Chandler.

I think the Clippers could drastically get much worse this year.

Originally posted by Bluesbro:
I have a question. Just making sure I am not missing something. The Lakers trade Russell which makes it seem like drafting Ball is a lock. But then I hear that they were looking to trade out of the 2nd spot for the Kings 5th and 10th ... hence, not guaranteeing Ball would still be there. Was the proposed Kings trade prior to the actual trade with the Nets? Or is it possible the Lakers figured Ball might still be there at 5, and if not Fox would be?

Just wondering about the timing of these moves (proposed and actual). If the offer to the Kings was after they traded Russell, it seems like they don't value Ball enough to ensure they get him. What is the thought on this?

This trading the #2 for #5 and 10 is reporters seeing the lakers making moves and throwing s**t on a wall to see if it sticks. I think its pure spec, moving DLo out all but ensures Ball at #2, and you go from there. With Tatum looking like he's going to Celtics at 3, who knows how chips are going to fall. Hell reports show Kings love Fox so much they might wanna go to 2 and grab fox then who knows. This is the most exciting draft I can remember, and not just bc im a lake show fan. Good stuff.

Edit: NBA Draft/Offseason >>>>>>>> NBA Regular Season

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Of course you trade George for minor compensation..... but a bunch of young pieces and 2 first round picks is not minor compensation For a possible rental

What is this bunch of young pieces that you are speaking of? Also two very late 1st rounders hold little value, they arent sending lottery picks.

Lol Pacers aren't trading for late 1st round picks for George.