2017 NBA Off-Season Thread

Rumor is that Phoenix might get something done around Josh Jackson, Bledsoe, and Miami's future 1st...

Am I the only one who thinks that feels light for Kyrie who has 3 years left on his K and is 25 years old? I know Jimmy Buckets and PG13 fetched s**t but PG13 was a rental and Jimmy Buckets...well, Idk how Minnesota did that lol.

Originally posted by GameOver:

Rumor is that Phoenix might get something done around Josh Jackson, Bledsoe, and Miami's future 1st...

Am I the only one who thinks that feels light for Kyrie who has 3 years left on his K and is 25 years old? I know Jimmy Buckets and PG13 fetched s**t but PG13 was a rental and Jimmy Buckets...well, Idk how Minnesota did that lol.

I'll take Bledsoe and Josh Jackson.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by GameOver:

Rumor is that Phoenix might get something done around Josh Jackson, Bledsoe, and Miami's future 1st...

Am I the only one who thinks that feels light for Kyrie who has 3 years left on his K and is 25 years old? I know Jimmy Buckets and PG13 fetched s**t but PG13 was a rental and Jimmy Buckets...well, Idk how Minnesota did that lol.

I'll take Bledsoe and Josh Jackson.

Thats a good haul for kyrie. Over the past year, it's been a buyers market.

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by GameOver:

Rumor is that Phoenix might get something done around Josh Jackson, Bledsoe, and Miami's future 1st...

Am I the only one who thinks that feels light for Kyrie who has 3 years left on his K and is 25 years old? I know Jimmy Buckets and PG13 fetched s**t but PG13 was a rental and Jimmy Buckets...well, Idk how Minnesota did that lol.

I'll take Bledsoe and Josh Jackson.

Thats a good haul for kyrie. Over the past year, it's been a buyers market.

What I really want is a trade with Nuggets. Give me Murray, Gary Harris (who I really like) and Faried for Kyrie. Denver gets a big 3 and becomes a legit top 4 team in West and Cavs get young brand new backcourt which can shoot and energy player off the bench.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by GameOver:
Rumor is that Phoenix might get something done around Josh Jackson, Bledsoe, and Miami's future 1st...

Am I the only one who thinks that feels light for Kyrie who has 3 years left on his K and is 25 years old? I know Jimmy Buckets and PG13 fetched s**t but PG13 was a rental and Jimmy Buckets...well, Idk how Minnesota did that lol.

I'll take Bledsoe and Josh Jackson.

That's about as good of a deal as the Cavs are likely to get. Bledsoe is a perfect fit as a PG who can play well off ball assuming he can stay healthy. Josh Jackson is one of the 3 best prospects in his draft class (I'd take him over Tatum). Throw in a first round pick and that's a decent deal.

Bledsoe is a better defender than Irving and has experience playing off ball (especially when Dragic was there). He's good at slashing and drawing fouls, but the Cavs (and Lebron) would miss Irving's shooting and ability to stretch the floor. Jackson is another guy who could be a rotational player for them.

This trade wouldn't make the Cavs better, but it also wouldn't make them that much worse and it helps them move on and rebuild once Lebron leaves.

Originally posted by GameOver:
Rumor is that Phoenix might get something done around Josh Jackson, Bledsoe, and Miami's future 1st...

Am I the only one who thinks that feels light for Kyrie who has 3 years left on his K and is 25 years old? I know Jimmy Buckets and PG13 fetched s**t but PG13 was a rental and Jimmy Buckets...well, Idk how Minnesota did that lol.

According to Gambo, Phoenix has told Cleveland that Josh Jackson is untouchable.

I would offer Bledsoe, TJ Warren and Miami's 1st rounder next year for Irving and the corpse of Iman Shumpert.

If they don't like it, then the Cavs can get f**ked.

Kyrie+Booker is a terrible defensive backcourt, they would score 70 and give up 80, which is why having a wing defender like JJ is so vital.

Phoenix would also have zero guarantee that Kyrie wouldn't simply just walk in 2 years, meaning that they'd have no PG, no JJ and would be out a draft pick as well. I'm perfectly content with them sticking with their current rebuilding plan.

Waiting for Melo or Kyrie to get traded like

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

According to Gambo, Phoenix has told Cleveland that Josh Jackson is untouchable.

I would offer Bledsoe, TJ Warren and Miami's 1st rounder next year for Irving and the corpse of Iman Shumpert.

If they don't like it, then the Cavs can get f**ked.

Kyrie+Booker is a terrible defensive backcourt, they would score 70 and give up 80, which is why having a wing defender like JJ is so vital.

Phoenix would also have zero guarantee that Kyrie wouldn't simply just walk in 2 years, meaning that they'd have no PG, no JJ and would be out a draft pick as well. I'm perfectly content with them sticking with their current rebuilding plan.

There's zero chance Cleveland accepts that trade. Swapping out Irving for Bledsoe and only getting what is likely a late first round pick and a mediocre player in Warren? Maybe if Irving only had one year left on his deal and the Cavs were desperate, but even then I can't imagine that trade happening.

Warren adds almost nothing to the Cavs. He doesn't hit 3s and he isn't a great defender. If they're going to give up Irving and take a step back this year, they're going to want a piece to build around in the future (Jackson), not a mediocre SF who wouldn't be starting for a lot of teams. Warren isn't a great athlete, has a mediocre wingspan, isn't a 3 point shooter, and isn't a great defender...

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
There's zero chance Cleveland accepts that trade. Swapping out Irving for Bledsoe and only getting what is likely a late first round pick and a mediocre player in Warren? Maybe if Irving only had one year left on his deal and the Cavs were desperate, but even then I can't imagine that trade happening.

Warren adds almost nothing to the Cavs. He doesn't hit 3s and he isn't a great defender. If they're going to give up Irving and take a step back this year, they're going to want a piece to build around in the future (Jackson), not a mediocre SF who wouldn't be starting for a lot of teams. Warren isn't a great athlete, has a mediocre wingspan, isn't a 3 point shooter, and isn't a great defender...

I'm perfectly fine with that. I see no reason for Phoenix to blow up their roster for a guy who is largely a one-dimensional player and would likely walk in 2 years. Kyrie is in the absolutely perfect situation for him with LeBron in Cleveland.

He's not going to come to Phoenix and make them a playoff team and if he walks the Suns are pretty much f**ked, no point guard, no JJ, lost draft pick, they will have to restart the whole rebuilding process once more.

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The Phoenix Suns will NOT include Josh Jackson in any trade for Kyrie Irving.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
There's zero chance Cleveland accepts that trade. Swapping out Irving for Bledsoe and only getting what is likely a late first round pick and a mediocre player in Warren? Maybe if Irving only had one year left on his deal and the Cavs were desperate, but even then I can't imagine that trade happening.

Warren adds almost nothing to the Cavs. He doesn't hit 3s and he isn't a great defender. If they're going to give up Irving and take a step back this year, they're going to want a piece to build around in the future (Jackson), not a mediocre SF who wouldn't be starting for a lot of teams. Warren isn't a great athlete, has a mediocre wingspan, isn't a 3 point shooter, and isn't a great defender...

I'm perfectly fine with that. I see no reason for Phoenix to blow up their roster for a guy who is largely a one-dimensional player and can walk in 2 years. Kyrie is in the absolutely perfect situation for him with LeBron in Cleveland.

He's not going to come to Phoenix and make them a playoff team and if he walks the Suns are pretty much f**ked, no point guard, no JJ, lost draft pick, they will have to restart the whole rebuilding process once more.

It's a bad trade for PHX (Bled and Jackson), and they know it, which is why it won't happen. It's a trade people want to see happen though, which is why the rumor won't go away.

Originally posted by TheSixthRing:
It's a bad trade for PHX, and they know it, which is why it won't happen. It's a trade people want to see happen though, which is why the rumor has so much steam behind it.

This. You can say that Kyrie is a pretty damn good scorer and in a vacuum Bledsoe+JJ is a fair deal but when you actually look at the specifics, Phoenix would be getting f**ked.

-Kyrie is an amazing scorer, but he's not so great at most other stuff. He's a woeful defender and combing him with Booker in the backcourt and with no JJ on the roster is just asking to get lit up. Neither guy is a very good defender and who are you going to play at the 3 in that scenario, TJ Warren, who is a pretty good scorer but definitely not a defensive maven?

More specifically, he's 12th among guards in PER, 10th in VORP, and 12th in BPM, according to Basketball-Reference. Likewise, he ranks 10th among all point guards in ESPN's Real Plus-Minus (RPM) stat. Most notably, he consistently trails the likes of Kyle Lowry, John Wall and Isaiah Thomas in such statistical categories — a.k.a. his chief point guard competition in the East.

When watching Irving, it's easy to see why. Discounting the last two minutes of a close nationally-televised game, Kyrie is for the most part disinterested in playing any defense. Rarely does he fight through any screens with any conviction, save for the 2016 NBA Finals, and his playmaking — while he has made some noticeable leaps in that department over the last several weeks — still leaves a lot to be desired.

The stats pretty much back this up. He ranks 70th in Defensive RPM among lead guards and 53rd in Defensive BPM. Moreover, opposing point guards post a 24.4 PER when playing against Irving, while shooting 53.6 percent effectively when he is manning the point, per 82Games.com. In comparison, Wall limits his matchup at the point of attack to just a 18.1 PER, while Lowry and IT concede a 20.1 PER and 17.6 PER, respectively, to their direct counterpart.

Serving as the pick-and-roll ballhandler, Kyrie, more often than not, is looking for his own. Although he has shown a more concerted effort of finding the roll-man (i.e. Tristan Thompson) or his flaring big (i.e. Kevin Love, Channing Frye or LeBron), he only does so when his avenue to the hoop is impeded while failing to find an opening the launch an off-the-dribble three — a.k.a. the James Harden strategy.

Even with his recent epiphany as a playmaker, though, Irving still ranks a lowly 23rd among all guards in assist percentage at 31.0 percent. In contrast, Russell Westbrook and James Harden are No. 1 and No. 2 in the league in said category, nearly double Kyrie's output, at 58.9 and 52.8 percent, respectively.

If the Suns were trading for say.....John Wall, I'd be down with trading Bledsoe, JJ and even Marquise Chriss to get a deal done. Wall at least is a factor defensively and would be a nice complement to Booker. Irving is capable of a lot more than he typically shows but there's no guarantee he will ever consistently play up to the levels that we've seen him reach in the Finals. When he's motivated, he's great but he often doesn't play at that level.

-Kyrie has no long term deal. He has 3 years left on his deal and one is a player option so he could be a free agent in 2019. The result could be the Suns being left without Bledsoe, without JJ, down a 1st round pick and basically having to rebuild all over again. Phoenix certainly wasn't on the list of teams that Kyrie gave to Cleveland that he preferred to be traded to.

If Cleveland is willing to accept a deal that doesn't involve Booker, JJ, Bender or Ulis, I'd be fine with a trade. If it involves Bledsoe and Warren or Chriss, a future 1st rounder and the Suns taking on some salary to help ease the luxury tax from the Cavs, I am content with that and would love to have Irving on the team but otherwise I am pretty content letting the dice roll and seeing how these young guys develop in the next few years.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by GameOver:

Rumor is that Phoenix might get something done around Josh Jackson, Bledsoe, and Miami's future 1st...

Am I the only one who thinks that feels light for Kyrie who has 3 years left on his K and is 25 years old? I know Jimmy Buckets and PG13 fetched s**t but PG13 was a rental and Jimmy Buckets...well, Idk how Minnesota did that lol.

According to Gambo, Phoenix has told Cleveland that Josh Jackson is untouchable.

I would offer Bledsoe, TJ Warren and Miami's 1st rounder next year for Irving and the corpse of Iman Shumpert.

If they don't like it, then the Cavs can get f**ked.

Kyrie+Booker is a terrible defensive backcourt, they would score 70 and give up 80, which is why having a wing defender like JJ is so vital.

Phoenix would also have zero guarantee that Kyrie wouldn't simply just walk in 2 years, meaning that they'd have no PG, no JJ and would be out a draft pick as well. I'm perfectly content with them sticking with their current rebuilding plan.

They want Josh Jackson to think he isn't tradeable until the trade they like comes up

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

They want Josh Jackson to think he isn't tradeable until the trade they like comes up

The Suns GM and owner sat down with JJ and his agent a week ago to let him know he wouldnt be traded. He refused to workout for Boston because he was promised that Phoenix would take him and he wanted to be here.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

They want Josh Jackson to think he isn't tradeable until the trade they like comes up

The Suns GM and owner sat down with JJ and his agent a week ago to let him know he wouldnt be traded. He refused to workout for Boston because he was promised that Phoenix would take him and he wanted to be here.

I'm sure they did . Just like when Pat Riley promised Glen Rice he wasn't going to be traded and then traded him the next day for Alonzo Mourning.

If you don't have a no trade clause there is always a price.