2017 NBA Off-Season Thread

Originally posted by mayo49:

Wow, I still can't believe Kyrie asked for a trade. The Cavs are no longer a threat w/o Kyrie.

They still are. IT is no slouch statically he was the most clutch player last year during the 4th quarter. Their bench got deeper with Crowder. Only issue is defense IT and Love on the same lineup are terrible defensively. Plus don't forget as long as LBJ is on the Cavs no one in Eastern Conference will sniff the finals for a few years.

It's going to be hilarious watching IT defend the Curry&KD PnR.

Good haul for Kyrie though.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Wow, I still can't believe Kyrie asked for a trade. The Cavs are no longer a threat w/o Kyrie.

The hell they arent

IT isn't that far behind Kyrie and their depth just got way better plus a potential #1 pick

No brainer for the Cavs

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Two years of Kyrie Irving, who doesn't even want to be in Cleveland, for a star point guard, one of the best contracts in the league, and a top 5 pick in 2018.

How anyone could say this is anything but highway robbery is beyond me. Cavs won this trade by a mile and a half.

Completely agree with this.

I think this is a pretty fair trade. Isaiah Thomas is pretty worthless after this season - he's statistically one of the best PGs in the league, but he's a defensive liability. He deserves to be paid a max contract, but he's not the kind of superstar who is a bargain on a max deal. He's more than 3 years older than Irving (turns 29 in February) and I doubt the Celtics wanted to give a supermax deal to a sub-6 foot PG who may not age well into his 30s.

On the other hand, Irving is not eligible for a supermax deal after being traded, is only 25 years old, and should age a lot better than Thomas given his size, handles, and shooting. The Celtics get the overwhelmingly most valuable player in this trade and they have plenty of depth to give up Crowder after signing Gordon Hayward (Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum need minutes).

The unprotected 2018 first round pick is the highlight of the trade for the Cavs, but the Celtics still own 2 2018 first round picks (Celtics, Lakers) and 3 2019 first round picks (Celtics, Grizzlies, Clippers). They were never going to draft that many players - they saw their chance to get a superstar in Kyrie Irving and they took it. This only backfires if the Nets pick ends up being top 3 and turns into an NBA superstar.

PGs that any team would take over Thomas include:
Paul
Westbrook
Wall
Curry
Lilliard
Irving
Conley
Lowry

Originally posted by mayo49:
Wow, I still can't believe Kyrie asked for a trade. The Cavs are no longer a threat w/o Kyrie.

LOL

Originally posted by nothing03:
They still are. IT is no slouch statically he was the most clutch player last year during the 4th quarter. Their bench got deeper with Crowder. Only issue is defense IT and Love on the same lineup are terrible defensively. Plus don't forget as long as LBJ is on the Cavs no one in Eastern Conference will sniff the finals for a few years.

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Kyrie is terrible defensively too.

Originally posted by mayo49:
Wow, I still can't believe Kyrie asked for a trade. The Cavs are no longer a threat w/o Kyrie.

You dont think a team that has Lebron, IT, Love, Thompson, and Crowder are no longer a threat? That is a huge LOL. Of course they are a threat and can easily win the East.

This was a nice trade for the Cavs primarily because of the Nets pick. They need to build for the future and getting that top 5 pick is big for the organization. Losing Irving hurts but they did well to get 2 very good players to step in right now and secure a pick for down the road.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by nothing03:
They still are. IT is no slouch statically he was the most clutch player last year during the 4th quarter. Their bench got deeper with Crowder. Only issue is defense IT and Love on the same lineup are terrible defensively. Plus don't forget as long as LBJ is on the Cavs no one in Eastern Conference will sniff the finals for a few years.

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Kyrie is terrible defensively too.

IT is much worse defensively though. He's so limited defensively mainly because of size.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by nothing03:

They still are. IT is no slouch statically he was the most clutch player last year during the 4th quarter. Their bench got deeper with Crowder. Only issue is defense IT and Love on the same lineup are terrible defensively. Plus don't forget as long as LBJ is on the Cavs no one in Eastern Conference will sniff the finals for a few years.

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Kyrie is terrible defensively too.

I shoulda stated it much better. Much worst defensIvely.

Like the trade. Want to see what Cavs do with that pick.

Want Wade to secure a buyout and join Cavs.

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by crabman82:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

The Celtics just bent over for the Cavs WTF

I wouldnt say that. Cle getting nets unprotected 2018 1st rounder

You're right, they didn't bend over.

They stripped themselves down and spread their own cheeks.

It's an insinuation that Boston willingly got naked and allowed Cleveland to perform anal sex on them.

Originally posted by Knowledge:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Wow, I still can't believe Kyrie asked for a trade. The Cavs are no longer a threat w/o Kyrie.

The hell they arent

IT is that far behind Kyrie and their depth just got way better plus a potential #1 pick

No brainer for the Cavs

Cavs just lost their closer.

Do the Cavs flip the pick and a relatively bad contract (Shump, JR, Thompson) into a legit contributor?

Wonder if they can get someone like Boogie for the pick and Thompson.

Originally posted by nothing03:

I shoulda stated it much better. Much worst defensIvely.

Originally posted by Hopper:

IT is much worse defensively though. He's so limited defensively mainly because of size.

Well, you guys are both wrong. "Much worse?" No. Sorry.

DRPM:
Kyrie 69th out of 80
IT 80th out of 80

They are both horrendous defenders. Period.