2017 NBA Off-Season Thread

Adrian Wojnarowski
Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
Story posting soon on ESPN: After Thomas physical, Cavs planning to seek further compensation before finalizing Irving trade to Boston

Originally posted by crabman82:
Adrian Wojnarowski
Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
Story posting soon on ESPN: After Thomas physical, Cavs planning to seek further compensation before finalizing Irving trade to Boston

This trade isn't going through and Cleveland is going to get suck with a disgruntled Star that might sit out until they are forced to move him. We already see the negative impact he's having with another player now demanding a trade.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by crabman82:
Adrian Wojnarowski
Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
Story posting soon on ESPN: After Thomas physical, Cavs planning to seek further compensation before finalizing Irving trade to Boston

This trade isn't going through and Cleveland is going to get suck with a disgruntled Star that might sit out until they are forced to move him. We already see the negative impact he's having with another player now demanding a trade.

Pretty sure Kyrie isnt going to sit and lose over 230K for every game he decides he doesnt want to play. Boston will cave in and give more anyway

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Pretty sure Kyrie isnt going to sit and lose over 230K for every game he decides he doesnt want to play. Boston will cave in and give more anyway

This

Originally posted by jcs:

This trade isn't going through and Cleveland is going to get suck with a disgruntled Star that might sit out until they are forced to move him. We already see the negative impact he's having with another player now demanding a trade.

I've no idea why you think Cavs have no leverage.

The trade with Boston proved they've plenty of leverage.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by jcs:
This trade isn't going through and Cleveland is going to get suck with a disgruntled Star that might sit out until they are forced to move him. We already see the negative impact he's having with another player now demanding a trade.

I've no idea why you think Cavs have no leverage.

The trade with Boston proved they've plenty of leverage.

Yup. Cleveland in the driver seat right now. And if I'm them, I don't make this deal unless Boston throws me Tatum. Alllll the leverage lives with them now.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by jcs:
This trade isn't going through and Cleveland is going to get suck with a disgruntled Star that might sit out until they are forced to move him. We already see the negative impact he's having with another player now demanding a trade.

I've no idea why you think Cavs have no leverage.

The trade with Boston proved they've plenty of leverage.

Boston can walk away...Cleveland still has a problem...

Originally posted by jcs:

Boston can walk away...Cleveland still has a problem...

Boston does as well. A possibly injured IT, and a disgruntled Crowder. Crowder was already not too happy with the Hayward signing.

the cavs want Tatum. Ainge is gonna tell them to f**k off

Originally posted by GameOver:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by jcs:
This trade isn't going through and Cleveland is going to get suck with a disgruntled Star that might sit out until they are forced to move him. We already see the negative impact he's having with another player now demanding a trade.

I've no idea why you think Cavs have no leverage.

The trade with Boston proved they've plenty of leverage.

Yup. Cleveland in the driver seat right now. And if I'm them, I don't make this deal unless Boston throws me Tatum. Alllll the leverage lives with them now.

I certainly don't know Ainge's mind, but they would b absolutely nuts to include Tatum. If I was Ainge I would stand pat and say take it or leave it, or throw in another scrap. Otherwise, I will take my 8 #1 picks the next 3 years and bury the Cavs after they lose Irving for nothing. I have read the posts on this page that Cleveland has all the leverage ... lol. They have what Cleveland wants too ... defense and youth. And they are not the ones that have a disgruntled star that does not ever want to put on a Cleveland uni again. Ainge and the Celts have plenty of power in this deal.

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Originally posted by GameOver:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by jcs:
This trade isn't going through and Cleveland is going to get suck with a disgruntled Star that might sit out until they are forced to move him. We already see the negative impact he's having with another player now demanding a trade.

I've no idea why you think Cavs have no leverage.

The trade with Boston proved they've plenty of leverage.

Yup. Cleveland in the driver seat right now. And if I'm them, I don't make this deal unless Boston throws me Tatum. Alllll the leverage lives with them now.

I certainly don't know Ainge's mind, but they would b absolutely nuts to include Tatum. If I was Ainge I would stand pat and say take it or leave it, or throw in another scrap. Otherwise, I will take my 8 #1 picks the next 3 years and bury the Cavs after they lose Irving for nothing. I have read the posts on this page that Cleveland has all the leverage ... lol. They have what Cleveland wants too ... defense and youth. And they are not the ones that have a disgruntled star that does not ever want to put on a Cleveland uni again. Ainge and the Celts have plenty of power in this deal.

If Cavs void the trade - they'll be where they were - but, now Boston will have a disgruntled star...and Crowder. Hence, the leverage is with Cavs. Kyrie can be traded anywhere...it's not like if this trade is voided...Cavs can't trade him again. If anything - this trade has increased his value around the league.

Can they finesse Tatum or Jaylen Brown (or even the Lakers pick) from Boston - I highly doubt that. But, they can probably get an additional 1st round pick and/or couple of 2nd round picks...maybe Boston will throw in Rozier (who I really like).

But, Cavs clearly have the advantage. Doesn't mean they'll get a farm for it...but I think Boston will definitely fork over a non-lottery pick or two.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by jcs:
This trade isn't going through and Cleveland is going to get suck with a disgruntled Star that might sit out until they are forced to move him. We already see the negative impact he's having with another player now demanding a trade.

I've no idea why you think Cavs have no leverage.

The trade with Boston proved they've plenty of leverage.

Boston can walk away...Cleveland still has a problem...

Yea...I'm sure IT and Crowder will be happy to be back with a team that doesn't want them.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Originally posted by GameOver:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by jcs:
This trade isn't going through and Cleveland is going to get suck with a disgruntled Star that might sit out until they are forced to move him. We already see the negative impact he's having with another player now demanding a trade.

I've no idea why you think Cavs have no leverage.

The trade with Boston proved they've plenty of leverage.

Yup. Cleveland in the driver seat right now. And if I'm them, I don't make this deal unless Boston throws me Tatum. Alllll the leverage lives with them now.

I certainly don't know Ainge's mind, but they would b absolutely nuts to include Tatum. If I was Ainge I would stand pat and say take it or leave it, or throw in another scrap. Otherwise, I will take my 8 #1 picks the next 3 years and bury the Cavs after they lose Irving for nothing. I have read the posts on this page that Cleveland has all the leverage ... lol. They have what Cleveland wants too ... defense and youth. And they are not the ones that have a disgruntled star that does not ever want to put on a Cleveland uni again. Ainge and the Celts have plenty of power in this deal.

If Cavs void the trade - they'll be where they were - but, now Boston will have a disgruntled star...and Crowder. Hence, the leverage is with Cavs. Kyrie can be traded anywhere...it's not like if this trade is voided...Cavs can't trade him again. If anything - this trade has increased his value around the league.

Can they finesse Tatum or Jaylen Brown (or even the Lakers pick) from Boston - I highly doubt that. But, they can probably get an additional 1st round pick and/or couple of 2nd round picks...maybe Boston will throw in Rozier (who I really like).

But, Cavs clearly have the advantage. Doesn't mean they'll get a farm for it...but I think Boston will definitely fork over a non-lottery pick or two.

No chance Ainge throws in Tatum or Brown. However, I can see them throwing in an additional 1st round pick to get this deal done and I expect that to happen.

I'm not sure either team has incredible leverage over the other but both really want a deal done. Boston wants a superstar that they can sign long term and Cleveland wants to get the best haul they can which will include a top pick for the future. One first round pick wont stand in the way in my opinion.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
No chance Ainge throws in Tatum or Brown. However, I can see them throwing in an additional 1st round pick to get this deal done and I expect that to happen.

I'm not sure either team has incredible leverage over the other but both really want a deal done. Boston wants a superstar that they can sign long term and Cleveland wants to get the best haul they can which will include a top pick for the future. One first round pick wont stand in the way in my opinion.

Yea...only way Tatum/Brown come in is if Cavs send that Nets pick back to Boston...which will be all right with me.

But, most likely scenario is - Boston throw in another 1st round pick...or Rozier.

Originally posted by 4ML:
If Cavs void the trade - they'll be where they were - but, now Boston will have a disgruntled star...and Crowder. Hence, the leverage is with Cavs. Kyrie can be traded anywhere...it's not like if this trade is voided...Cavs can't trade him again. If anything - this trade has increased his value around the league.

Can they finesse Tatum or Jaylen Brown (or even the Lakers pick) from Boston - I highly doubt that. But, they can probably get an additional 1st round pick and/or couple of 2nd round picks...maybe Boston will throw in Rozier (who I really like).

But, Cavs clearly have the advantage. Doesn't mean they'll get a farm for it...but I think Boston will definitely fork over a non-lottery pick or two.

I disagree about Crowder or IT being disgruntled. It is the business these guys are in, and they all know it. From what I have read IT does not want to leave anyway. The only bad part from the Celts perspective is they would not have the good IT until mid year as well, if at all. Just depends on how bad that Ainge wants Irving. He will throw in something more if he does, but they are in a great spot for the future even if he doesn't.

Regarding the ability of the Cavs to trade Irving anywhere? They have already been trying to do that is this is the best deal they have received. Plus, why couldn't the Celts still trade these pieces anywhere they want too? Celts have more trade capital than any team in the league. The only real power the Cavs have is if Ainge is so smitten with the idea of getting Irving that he would do just about anything, then they they can force some blood out of the turnip. But the Celts will be just fine if they pass too.