2017 NBA Off-Season Thread

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Originally posted by 4ML:
If Cavs void the trade - they'll be where they were - but, now Boston will have a disgruntled star...and Crowder. Hence, the leverage is with Cavs. Kyrie can be traded anywhere...it's not like if this trade is voided...Cavs can't trade him again. If anything - this trade has increased his value around the league.

Can they finesse Tatum or Jaylen Brown (or even the Lakers pick) from Boston - I highly doubt that. But, they can probably get an additional 1st round pick and/or couple of 2nd round picks...maybe Boston will throw in Rozier (who I really like).

But, Cavs clearly have the advantage. Doesn't mean they'll get a farm for it...but I think Boston will definitely fork over a non-lottery pick or two.

I disagree about Crowder or IT being disgruntled. It is the business these guys are in, and they all know it. From what I have read IT does not want to leave anyway. The only bad part from the Celts perspective is they would not have the good IT until mid year as well, if at all. Just depends on how bad that Ainge wants Irving. He will throw in something more if he does, but they are in a great spot for the future even if he doesn't.

Regarding the ability of the Cavs to trade Irving anywhere? They have already been trying to do that is this is the best deal they have received. Plus, why couldn't the Celts still trade these pieces anywhere they want too? Celts have more trade capital than any team in the league. The only real power the Cavs have is if Ainge is so smitten with the idea of getting Irving that he would do just about anything, then they they can force some blood out of the turnip. But the Celts will be just fine if they pass too.

"We have a lot of good players," Ainge noted, "but we need some great ones."

Ainge wants superstars. He got rid of some good players including Bradley so he could get Hayward. He wants to do the same thing to get Kyrie. I will be very surprised if he doesnt cave in and give up another pick.

Not a chance in hell that Boston will give a max deal for IT after this season so this is a way to move him now and get his superstar. With all the picks they still have giving up a lower level 1st rd pick to get the deal done makes sense for both sides.

Originally posted by Bluesbro:
I disagree about Crowder or IT being disgruntled. It is the business these guys are in, and they all know it. From what I have read IT does not want to leave anyway. The only bad part from the Celts perspective is they would not have the good IT until mid year as well, if at all. Just depends on how bad that Ainge wants Irving. He will throw in something more if he does, but they are in a great spot for the future even if he doesn't.

Regarding the ability of the Cavs to trade Irving anywhere? They have already been trying to do that is this is the best deal they have received. Plus, why couldn't the Celts still trade these pieces anywhere they want too? Celts have more trade capital than any team in the league. The only real power the Cavs have is if Ainge is so smitten with the idea of getting Irving that he would do just about anything, then they they can force some blood out of the turnip. But the Celts will be just fine if they pass too.

a) There aren't any young stars with 3 years left on their contract available for trade.

b) Cavs have received a pretty good offer from Bucks. Of course, Boston deal is the best deal they received IFFF Isaiah was going to healthy in October.

c) IT and Crowder are proud ppl...just like most NBA players. They'll not want to play for an organization that trades them. Most players hold resentment.

d) Good luck trading IT for anything significant right now when he's on the last year of his deal and may be out for months...his value has been shot.

I think Celtics will give up another draft pick or a player to complete the deal if Cavs threaten void.

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Originally posted by 4ML:
If Cavs void the trade - they'll be where they were - but, now Boston will have a disgruntled star...and Crowder. Hence, the leverage is with Cavs. Kyrie can be traded anywhere...it's not like if this trade is voided...Cavs can't trade him again. If anything - this trade has increased his value around the league.

Can they finesse Tatum or Jaylen Brown (or even the Lakers pick) from Boston - I highly doubt that. But, they can probably get an additional 1st round pick and/or couple of 2nd round picks...maybe Boston will throw in Rozier (who I really like).

But, Cavs clearly have the advantage. Doesn't mean they'll get a farm for it...but I think Boston will definitely fork over a non-lottery pick or two.

I disagree about Crowder or IT being disgruntled. It is the business these guys are in, and they all know it. From what I have read IT does not want to leave anyway. The only bad part from the Celts perspective is they would not have the good IT until mid year as well, if at all. Just depends on how bad that Ainge wants Irving. He will throw in something more if he does, but they are in a great spot for the future even if he doesn't.

Regarding the ability of the Cavs to trade Irving anywhere? They have already been trying to do that is this is the best deal they have received. Plus, why couldn't the Celts still trade these pieces anywhere they want too? Celts have more trade capital than any team in the league. The only real power the Cavs have is if Ainge is so smitten with the idea of getting Irving that he would do just about anything, then they they can force some blood out of the turnip. But the Celts will be just fine if they pass too.

That is completely false. Very few guys take it that way. I don't how many hundreds of interviews that I've read about players being pissed about trade talks. These aren't robots, as much as people try to make them out to be. Nobody wants to have to sell their house look for a new one, travel, take kids out of school, etc. These guys go through the same stuff a regular person like us have to go through when they have to pack up and find a new job.

Durant seems to have a comment on all NBA happenings.

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Originally posted by 4ML:
If Cavs void the trade - they'll be where they were - but, now Boston will have a disgruntled star...and Crowder. Hence, the leverage is with Cavs. Kyrie can be traded anywhere...it's not like if this trade is voided...Cavs can't trade him again. If anything - this trade has increased his value around the league.

Can they finesse Tatum or Jaylen Brown (or even the Lakers pick) from Boston - I highly doubt that. But, they can probably get an additional 1st round pick and/or couple of 2nd round picks...maybe Boston will throw in Rozier (who I really like).

But, Cavs clearly have the advantage. Doesn't mean they'll get a farm for it...but I think Boston will definitely fork over a non-lottery pick or two.

I disagree about Crowder or IT being disgruntled. It is the business these guys are in, and they all know it. From what I have read IT does not want to leave anyway. The only bad part from the Celts perspective is they would not have the good IT until mid year as well, if at all. Just depends on how bad that Ainge wants Irving. He will throw in something more if he does, but they are in a great spot for the future even if he doesn't.

Regarding the ability of the Cavs to trade Irving anywhere? They have already been trying to do that is this is the best deal they have received. Plus, why couldn't the Celts still trade these pieces anywhere they want too? Celts have more trade capital than any team in the league. The only real power the Cavs have is if Ainge is so smitten with the idea of getting Irving that he would do just about anything, then they they can force some blood out of the turnip. But the Celts will be just fine if they pass too.

the Celtics are pretty much saying they arent interested in giving Thomas $200 million next summer

Crowder was upset when his own crowd was chanting "Hayward" last season on Celtics own court. Now they're trying to trade him.

No way he's not disgruntled. Boston has basically told him that neither the organization nor the fans care for him.

Originally posted by Jiks:
Crowder was upset when his own crowd was chanting "Hayward" last season on Celtics own court. Now they're trying to trade him.

No way he's not disgruntled. Boston has basically told him that neither the organization nor the fans care for him.

it's all business lol!

Lulz -- Helmet the only person in the world who wouldn't trade IT for Kyrie straight up. Nothing you can say will ever change his mind. Lulz.

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
the Celtics are pretty much saying they arent interested in giving Thomas $200 million next summer

Then they don't have to sign him. They can see if someone else will max him, and if not sign him for market value. They take a chance of losing him, but he was under contract with them when he got injured. Consequences go along with that.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
"We have a lot of good players," Ainge noted, "but we need some great ones."

They didn't even make an effort at multiple superstar players that moved this year, including a PG.

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:
That is completely false. Very few guys take it that way. I don't how many hundreds of interviews that I've read about players being pissed about trade talks.

Hundreds, really? Who. All I can remember is Klay laughing about all the interest he gets. I think it depends on the individual situation more than anything else (kids in school, etc). All I can say is I did hear IT wanted to stay in Boston on this transaction.

Originally posted by Jiks:
Crowder was upset when his own crowd was chanting "Hayward" last season on Celtics own court. Now they're trying to trade him.

No way he's not disgruntled. Boston has basically told him that neither the organization nor the fans care for him.

LOL at presuming what Crowder is feeling.

I have said I think that Irving is the best player in this deal. If I was Ainge I would not add anything more, or anything too lucrative (maybe a late 1st rounder). But I am not Ainge, and he may want him enough to pony up something really good to make it happen. I like Irving personally, but not that much.

Cavs and Celtics should redo the deal.

Injured IT, Jaylen Brown and Jae Crowder for Irving sounds about right at this point.

Originally posted by 4ML:
Cavs and Celtics should redo the deal.

Injured IT, Jaylen Brown and Jae Crowder for Irving sounds about right at this point.

Cavs need a future pick. An injured IT that may not even be effective this year, in LeBron's championship window, doesn't move the needle very much for CLE. Obtaining that draft pick gives them another powerful asset to make a big move in February IF they need to. Brown or another 1st round pick (BOS, Memphis, Clippers, etc) need to be added to the CURRENT deal.

Originally posted by 4ML:
Cavs and Celtics should redo the deal.

Injured IT, Jaylen Brown and Jae Crowder for Irving sounds about right at this point.

I think boston should just pull out of the trade....f the cavs and force them to deal with two disgruntled players....

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 4ML:
Cavs and Celtics should redo the deal.

Injured IT, Jaylen Brown and Jae Crowder for Irving sounds about right at this point.

I think boston should just pull out of the trade....f the cavs and force them to deal with two disgruntled players....

Right. Im sure Thomas and Crowder will be happy campers in Boston.

It does neither team any good to pull out of this trade. Boston should simply give up an additional 1st rd pick that wont be a lottery selection. Wont hurt them at all and it probably would get the deal done.

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
the Celtics are pretty much saying they arent interested in giving Thomas $200 million next summer

Then they don't have to sign him. They can see if someone else will max him, and if not sign him for market value. They take a chance of losing him, but he was under contract with them when he got injured. Consequences go along with that.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
"We have a lot of good players," Ainge noted, "but we need some great ones."

They didn't even make an effort at multiple superstar players that moved this year, including a PG.

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:
That is completely false. Very few guys take it that way. I don't how many hundreds of interviews that I've read about players being pissed about trade talks.

Hundreds, really? Who. All I can remember is Klay laughing about all the interest he gets. I think it depends on the individual situation more than anything else (kids in school, etc). All I can say is I did hear IT wanted to stay in Boston on this transaction.

Originally posted by Jiks:
Crowder was upset when his own crowd was chanting "Hayward" last season on Celtics own court. Now they're trying to trade him.

No way he's not disgruntled. Boston has basically told him that neither the organization nor the fans care for him.

LOL at presuming what Crowder is feeling.

I have said I think that Irving is the best player in this deal. If I was Ainge I would not add anything more, or anything too lucrative (maybe a late 1st rounder). But I am not Ainge, and he may want him enough to pony up something really good to make it happen. I like Irving personally, but not that much.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18404075/jae-crowder-disrespected-boston-celtics-fans-cheers-potential-free-agent-gordon-hayward

you must be really new at sports if you think players dont care about trade rumors. and here's the article on Crowder. sounds like he's not presuming anything. and yes, there have been hundreds. forget that, it's in the thousands. and im not gonna link every article and sound bite about a player being mad about trade rumors. if you don't believe us, then do your own research, it's out there.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 4ML:
Cavs and Celtics should redo the deal.

Injured IT, Jaylen Brown and Jae Crowder for Irving sounds about right at this point.

I think boston should just pull out of the trade....f the cavs and force them to deal with two disgruntled players....

Right. Im sure Thomas and Crowder will be happy campers in Boston.

It does neither team any good to pull out of this trade. Boston should simply give up an additional 1st rd pick that wont be a lottery selection. Wont hurt them at all and it probably would get the deal done.

That's business...professionals don't take that as personal....big difference over a player demanding a trade.