When all is said and done the NBA GOAT is..........

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Yea LeBron really needs to help his teammates more. Averaging nearly a 40 point triple double just doesn't cut it. He also has to be their personal therapist as well. Shame on LeBron.

Originally posted by IT21:
Making Mo Williams an all star is a pretty impressive accomplishment too tbh.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by IT21:

Making Mo Williams an all star is a pretty impressive accomplishment too tbh.

TBH it isnt. Compare his All Star season with Lebron to his two seasons prior without him. You will notice almost exactly the same stats.

Originally posted by IT21:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by IT21:
Making Mo Williams an all star is a pretty impressive accomplishment too tbh.

TBH it isnt. Compare his All Star season with Lebron to his two seasons prior without him. You will notice almost exactly the same stats.

Being a 34% 3 pt shooter compared to being a 44% 3 point shooter with 2 more attempts per game is significant.

He was a more efficient shooter while taking more shots, in more games played lol.

Maybe you're right, maybe it was delonte West or Anderson varejao that caused that

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

He shot 39% the year before. And his overall field goal percentage went down. Not sure how the argument can be made that he became more efficient when his overall shooting went down. But if you want to run with the narrative that LeBron made Mo Williams, be my guest. It isnt based on facts.

Originally posted by IT21:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

He shot 39% the year before. And his overall field goal percentage went down. Not sure how the argument can be made that he became more efficient when his overall shooting went down. But if you want to run with the narrative that LeBron made Mo Williams, be my guest. It isnt based on facts.

He shot significantly more 3 pt attempts per game and shot at a significantly better 3 pt% lol. His best shooting years was when he played with lebron. His highest eFG% was his first year with lebron.

I didn't say he made Mo Williams' entire career, but he made him better enough to become an all star in the same conference that he played in his entire career and was never an all star before.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

He was never an All Star before because he played on a s*** team. His AS appearance was 100% because he was on the Cavs. I promise you the coaches who picked the team werent looking at his eFG in 2009 compared to the rest of his career. They saw a 17 point scorer, and 2nd best player on one of the best teams, so they selected him.

Originally posted by IT21:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

He was never an All Star before because he played on a s*** team. His AS appearance was 100% because he was on the Cavs. I promise you the coaches who picked the team werent looking at his eFG in 2009 compared to the rest of his career. They saw a 17 point scorer, and 2nd best player on one of the best teams, so they selected him.

Sure, valid argument. He still got better playing next to lebron and there's stats to prove it.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Well there are also stats that got worse. His assist numbers dropped over 2 a game. Id say that more than trumps a 2% difference in eFG%.

Originally posted by DynastyChile:

(1993) Michael Jordan after winning his third straight championship. "I'm not campaigning for the best player in the world or history, because everyone plays differently in different eras .. but to say we won three in a row & I was part of that team, that means a lot."

Well said.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

He was never an All Star before because he played on a s*** team. His AS appearance was 100% because he was on the Cavs. I promise you the coaches who picked the team werent looking at his eFG in 2009 compared to the rest of his career. They saw a 17 point scorer, and 2nd best player on one of the best teams, so they selected him.

Originally posted by IT21:

Probably cause he went from being the primary ball handler as as the PG on the bucks to joining a team where Lebron is the primary ball handler but who needs context.

I really don't care for arguing about Mo Williams anymore. If you really believe lebron makes his teammates worse than go ahead buddy. I don't care to change your mind.

Originally posted by 4ML:

So in this case - stats are more important than winning?

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
He cried and quit on them in a tie game.