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When all is said and done the NBA GOAT is..........

When all is said and done the NBA GOAT is..........

Originally posted by Niners99:
First of all, it's ridiculous to put modern players in the past and say theyd dominate. Modern players are a result of the evolution of time. They had access to training methods and sports medicine that wasn't available until recently. They also had information resulting from what people learned about the game of basketball in that era. They saw how certain styles of player were defended, and were coached how to beat that strategy.

All these sensitive pace and space "freaks" of the modern day would be fish out of water in the era where hand checking, punishing defense, and half court ball ruled the game. In the 80's and 90's Giannis would've just been a C who played down low. Thats how he would've been coached growing up because of his size.

Without the evolution of the modern game, players' games would all be vastly different. Theyd all have been put into different roles, and had to develop different skillsets.

Jordan was a smaller player playing in a much tougher defensive era. He didn't have the natural advantage of being able to barrell through the paint like a bowling ball like LeBron. Players who attempted to just muscle their way to the basket back then got knocked on their ass. Today its common to see the players clear out of the way because they're all afraid of being on someone's poster.

Jordan played his entire career in the heart of the era where most of the top 50 players of all time played, and he unquestionably was the best player of his era.

This is a fantastic post.
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by IT21:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by IT21:
I mean he even said it himself


#1: Did he really say that?

#2: He has also repeatedly said Kobe > LeBron so yeah.

Yeah those exact words

Well, he also said #2....which I am sure you find to be a laughable claim right?

ya. btw where is that quote of him saying Bron is better than him? can't find it, or the plumber quote.
[ Edited by TheGore49er on May 21, 2018 at 4:18 PM ]
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Niners99:
First of all, it's ridiculous to put modern players in the past and say theyd dominate. Modern players are a result of the evolution of time. They had access to training methods and sports medicine that wasn't available until recently. They also had information resulting from what people learned about the game of basketball in that era. They saw how certain styles of player were defended, and were coached how to beat that strategy.

All these sensitive pace and space "freaks" of the modern day would be fish out of water in the era where hand checking, punishing defense, and half court ball ruled the game. In the 80's and 90's Giannis would've just been a C who played down low. Thats how he would've been coached growing up because of his size.

Without the evolution of the modern game, players' games would all be vastly different. Theyd all have been put into different roles, and had to develop different skillsets.

Jordan was a smaller player playing in a much tougher defensive era. He didn't have the natural advantage of being able to barrell through the paint like a bowling ball like LeBron. Players who attempted to just muscle their way to the basket back then got knocked on their ass. Today its common to see the players clear out of the way because they're all afraid of being on someone's poster.

Jordan played his entire career in the heart of the era where most of the top 50 players of all time played, and he unquestionably was the best player of his era.

This is a fantastic post.

Not really, if you had the skills of Giannis, he would've still turned out the same way. Was Magic forced to play like a PF because he was 6'9? Was Pippen forced to play like PF at 6'8? Or Bird at 6'9? If you had the skills to ball handle, or pass, or shoot, coaches would've used that. You just didn't have too many guys like Pippen, Bird, or Magic back then who had that size and ball handling ability. Now you have guys who are even bigger that than, and they come with incredible athletic ability.

And Jordan was a huge SG for that time, even for today's standards.
[ Edited by TheGore49er on May 21, 2018 at 4:24 PM ]
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LeBron and it isn't even really close.
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Niners99:
First of all, it's ridiculous to put modern players in the past and say theyd dominate. Modern players are a result of the evolution of time. They had access to training methods and sports medicine that wasn't available until recently. They also had information resulting from what people learned about the game of basketball in that era. They saw how certain styles of player were defended, and were coached how to beat that strategy.

All these sensitive pace and space "freaks" of the modern day would be fish out of water in the era where hand checking, punishing defense, and half court ball ruled the game. In the 80's and 90's Giannis would've just been a C who played down low. Thats how he would've been coached growing up because of his size.

Without the evolution of the modern game, players' games would all be vastly different. Theyd all have been put into different roles, and had to develop different skillsets.

Jordan was a smaller player playing in a much tougher defensive era. He didn't have the natural advantage of being able to barrell through the paint like a bowling ball like LeBron. Players who attempted to just muscle their way to the basket back then got knocked on their ass. Today its common to see the players clear out of the way because they're all afraid of being on someone's poster.

Jordan played his entire career in the heart of the era where most of the top 50 players of all time played, and he unquestionably was the best player of his era.

This is a fantastic post.

Agreed
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Originally posted by LayTheWoodall:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Niners99:
First of all, it's ridiculous to put modern players in the past and say theyd dominate. Modern players are a result of the evolution of time. They had access to training methods and sports medicine that wasn't available until recently. They also had information resulting from what people learned about the game of basketball in that era. They saw how certain styles of player were defended, and were coached how to beat that strategy.

All these sensitive pace and space "freaks" of the modern day would be fish out of water in the era where hand checking, punishing defense, and half court ball ruled the game. In the 80's and 90's Giannis would've just been a C who played down low. Thats how he would've been coached growing up because of his size.

Without the evolution of the modern game, players' games would all be vastly different. Theyd all have been put into different roles, and had to develop different skillsets.

Jordan was a smaller player playing in a much tougher defensive era. He didn't have the natural advantage of being able to barrell through the paint like a bowling ball like LeBron. Players who attempted to just muscle their way to the basket back then got knocked on their ass. Today its common to see the players clear out of the way because they're all afraid of being on someone's poster.

Jordan played his entire career in the heart of the era where most of the top 50 players of all time played, and he unquestionably was the best player of his era.

This is a fantastic post.

Agreed

Lol no it wasn't
The idea that Giannis would be forced to play center is hilarious. He would dominate the 90s as a forward. He'd easily be superiorly athletic to anybody in the 90s, jordan included.
Originally posted by IT21:
Originally posted by LayTheWoodall:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Niners99:
First of all, it's ridiculous to put modern players in the past and say theyd dominate. Modern players are a result of the evolution of time. They had access to training methods and sports medicine that wasn't available until recently. They also had information resulting from what people learned about the game of basketball in that era. They saw how certain styles of player were defended, and were coached how to beat that strategy.

All these sensitive pace and space "freaks" of the modern day would be fish out of water in the era where hand checking, punishing defense, and half court ball ruled the game. In the 80's and 90's Giannis would've just been a C who played down low. Thats how he would've been coached growing up because of his size.

Without the evolution of the modern game, players' games would all be vastly different. Theyd all have been put into different roles, and had to develop different skillsets.

Jordan was a smaller player playing in a much tougher defensive era. He didn't have the natural advantage of being able to barrell through the paint like a bowling ball like LeBron. Players who attempted to just muscle their way to the basket back then got knocked on their ass. Today its common to see the players clear out of the way because they're all afraid of being on someone's poster.

Jordan played his entire career in the heart of the era where most of the top 50 players of all time played, and he unquestionably was the best player of his era.

This is a fantastic post.

Agreed

Lol no it wasn't
The idea that Giannis would be forced to play center is hilarious. He would dominate the 90s as a forward. He'd easily be superiorly athletic to anybody in the 90s, jordan included.

He is too skinny. He would have gotten murdered in the paint. Heck rookie Semi Ojeyle of the Celtics kept him in check in the latter games of their series and this was key to the C's winning. Semi is built like a mack truck.

Malone, Rodman, Oakley, Kemp, Olajuwon, Ewing Mason... would have pushed him around like a rag doll. He'd have to pack on some lbs.

More athletic than Jordan though Jordan had a higher vertical? And I believe Kemp was just as athletic if not more than Giannis. His in-traffic dunks were legendary. Every game to him was a dunk contest opportunity. 40 inch vertical at 6'10 240? Giannis has a 44 at 220?
[ Edited by 49erminion on May 22, 2018 at 8:12 AM ]
Originally posted by IT21:
Originally posted by Niners99:
First of all, it's ridiculous to put modern players in the past and say theyd dominate. Modern players are a result of the evolution of time. They had access to training methods and sports medicine that wasn't available until recently. They also had information resulting from what people learned about the game of basketball in that era. They saw how certain styles of player were defended, and were coached how to beat that strategy.

All these sensitive pace and space "freaks" of the modern day would be fish out of water in the era where hand checking, punishing defense, and half court ball ruled the game. In the 80's and 90's Giannis would've just been a C who played down low. Thats how he would've been coached growing up because of his size.

Without the evolution of the modern game, players' games would all be vastly different. Theyd all have been put into different roles, and had to develop different skillsets.

Jordan was a smaller player playing in a much tougher defensive era. He didn't have the natural advantage of being able to barrell through the paint like a bowling ball like LeBron. Players who attempted to just muscle their way to the basket back then got knocked on their ass. Today its common to see the players clear out of the way because they're all afraid of being on someone's poster.

Jordan played his entire career in the heart of the era where most of the top 50 players of all time played, and he unquestionably was the best player of his era.

Lol the NBA today is easily the most talented it's ever been and it's not close. The average player today is superior physically and athletically than the average player in the 80s and that's a fact. And in 30-40 years that'll be true compared to today. There are so many players back then that wouldn't have a spot on a team today

lol did you even read what I just said?
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by IT21:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by IT21:
I mean he even said it himself


#1: Did he really say that?

#2: He has also repeatedly said Kobe > LeBron so yeah.

Yeah those exact words

Well, he also said #2....which I am sure you find to be a laughable claim right?

Yeah, im sure Michael Jordan, the most competitive athlete who has ever lived, thinks of himself as just the 3rd best player ever. Sounds like him.

You dont sense ANY sarcasm in Jordan essentially calling his entire era a joke?
Originally posted by 49erminion:
Originally posted by IT21:
Originally posted by LayTheWoodall:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Niners99:
First of all, it's ridiculous to put modern players in the past and say theyd dominate. Modern players are a result of the evolution of time. They had access to training methods and sports medicine that wasn't available until recently. They also had information resulting from what people learned about the game of basketball in that era. They saw how certain styles of player were defended, and were coached how to beat that strategy.

All these sensitive pace and space "freaks" of the modern day would be fish out of water in the era where hand checking, punishing defense, and half court ball ruled the game. In the 80's and 90's Giannis would've just been a C who played down low. Thats how he would've been coached growing up because of his size.

Without the evolution of the modern game, players' games would all be vastly different. Theyd all have been put into different roles, and had to develop different skillsets.

Jordan was a smaller player playing in a much tougher defensive era. He didn't have the natural advantage of being able to barrell through the paint like a bowling ball like LeBron. Players who attempted to just muscle their way to the basket back then got knocked on their ass. Today its common to see the players clear out of the way because they're all afraid of being on someone's poster.

Jordan played his entire career in the heart of the era where most of the top 50 players of all time played, and he unquestionably was the best player of his era.

This is a fantastic post.

Agreed

Lol no it wasn't
The idea that Giannis would be forced to play center is hilarious. He would dominate the 90s as a forward. He'd easily be superiorly athletic to anybody in the 90s, jordan included.

He is too skinny. He would have gotten murdered in the paint. Heck rookie Semi Ojeyle of the Celtics kept him in check in the latter games of their series and this was key to the C's winning. Semi is built like a mack truck.

Malone, Rodman, Oakley, Kemp, Olajuwon, Ewing Mason... would have pushed him around like a rag doll. He'd have to pack on some lbs.

More athletic than Jordan though Jordan had a higher vertical? And I believe Kemp was just as athletic if not more than Giannis. His in-traffic dunks were legendary. Every game to him was a dunk contest opportunity. 40 inch vertical at 6'10 240? Giannis has a 44 at 220?

Kemp had a great vertical and was strong, but he couldn't run like Giannis and didn't have anything close to his quickness, let alone the ball handling ability and passing skills. And Giannis wouldn't be playing C either, Magic didn't play C, neither did Pippen, or Bird.
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Kemp had a great vertical and was strong, but he couldn't run like Giannis and didn't have anything close to his quickness, let alone the ball handling ability and passing skills. And Giannis wouldn't be playing C either, Magic didn't play C, neither did Pippen, or Bird.

Why would Magic, Pippen, or Bird be playing C either way? Magic and Bird are only 6'9. Pippen is 6'7.

Like I said, you cant transport a player from today back to the past and expect them to be the same. Players from today are a product of evolution from back then. You cant have the new without the old.

The only plausible way to place Giannis in the 80's or 90's is if he was born in that time frame, in which case hed be playing a different style of ball. Jalen Rose always talks about how certain average players in the 90's would've been stars in today's NBA based on skillset and strategy. But in the 80's and 90's they were role players, because the game wasn't being played to their specific strengths.

There was no pace and space in the 80's and 90's, thus Giannis wouldn't be playing the way he does today. Hed be playing the way the game was coached back then. He might think "I could be a star if I got to do things my way", but hed be stuck in the post going against Olajuwon. Its just not how things worked back then. The style of play in todays NBA would've been considered playground nonsense back then.
[ Edited by Niners99 on May 22, 2018 at 12:15 PM ]
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by IT21:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by IT21:
I mean he even said it himself


#1: Did he really say that?

#2: He has also repeatedly said Kobe > LeBron so yeah.

Yeah those exact words

Well, he also said #2....which I am sure you find to be a laughable claim right?

Yeah, im sure Michael Jordan, the most competitive athlete who has ever lived, thinks of himself as just the 3rd best player ever. Sounds like him.

You dont sense ANY sarcasm in Jordan essentially calling his entire era a joke?

Not sure if I am not comprehending your reply correctly, or if it was YOU who was not comprehending my post correctly....

But to clarify.....

My point is, even if Jordan seriously said that he played against a bunch of plumbers in his day (a quote Bron fans are using to prop Bron up because Jordan said it), he also said that Kobe > LeBron. So if the Bron fans are going to take the plumbers comment as gospel, why arent they taking the Kobe > Bron comment the same way?

Thats all I meant.
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by IT21:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by IT21:
I mean he even said it himself


#1: Did he really say that?

#2: He has also repeatedly said Kobe > LeBron so yeah.

Yeah those exact words

Well, he also said #2....which I am sure you find to be a laughable claim right?

Yeah, im sure Michael Jordan, the most competitive athlete who has ever lived, thinks of himself as just the 3rd best player ever. Sounds like him.

You dont sense ANY sarcasm in Jordan essentially calling his entire era a joke?

Not sure if I am not comprehending your reply correctly, or if it was YOU who was not comprehending my post correctly....

But to clarify.....

My point is, even if Jordan seriously said that he played against a bunch of plumbers in his day (a quote Bron fans are using to prop Bron up because Jordan said it), he also said that Kobe > LeBron. So if the Bron fans are going to take the plumbers comment as gospel, why arent they taking the Kobe > Bron comment the same way?

Thats all I meant.

I don't think Jordan said it. If he did, it would come up in a Google search.
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