San Francisco Giants 2019 Off-season Thread

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by SFGiant49ers:

Originally posted by skeetskeet:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Even if they got rid of triples alley, how would that dramatically boost our offense? How many times did you see a Giants player hit a ball that landed out in triples alley on the fly? Rarely.

The air density of right on the bay, and the wind patterns in the stadium are the two biggest reasons Oracle is a tough place to hit. The dimensions aren't nearly the problem people say they are. Triples alley was just created to balance out the insanely short corner down the RF line. It will still be tough to hit them out to right even if triples alley is gone.

LOL while I'm not at all disagreeing with you, I went to baseball reference to see the 2002 teams numbers and I literally lost s**t when I saw Bonds OBP haha.

I forgot Reggie Sanders hit 20 HRs

I feel like almost everyone on that team hit 20+ that season. I think that was the year I truly became a diehard and watched every single game. I would plan my day around making sure I could watch the Giants games. Good thing I was only in high school I guess

We had 198 homeruns as a team in 2002, and had 235 the year before. That should just prove to everyone that the ballpark dimensions are not the issue.

I stand by my statement that I made earlier in the season that Garce laughed at. We lose a handful of homeruns a year because of triples alley.

2001 and 2002 was also the peak of the PED era, and Bonds accounted for 119 of those 433 HR.

Besides Bonds, we haven't had a player hit even 28 HR in 17 years, and its not because we didn't have the talent to do it.

Like I said, the physical dimensions of the park arent the issue. Its that baseballs dont travel well in cold, damp air. Especially with wind patterns that wrap around the RF side of the stadium and blow in towards the field. I bet if you looked at the HR spray charts for Oracle, the HR to the shortest part of the Willie Mays wall are still pretty sparse, despite being such a close distance to the plate.

Lefties know they have to get every bit of one to leave the yard, and they better pull the ball, which is a mental road block for your confidence. The only way to remedy that is to paint a HR line a few feet below the tin roofing so that you don't actually have to clear that wall for a HR.

Well, as you and I both know, this juiced ball era > steroid era in terms of homeruns (not even debatable). So forgive me if I dont buy any of this response.

But the one thing that stood out to me is your 28 homerun hitter in the last 17 years. Its not that we didnt have the talent? Ok who were the hitters we had that had the talent to hit 28 jacks in that time period?

The juiced ball era is barely 2 years old.

Im not saying weve had a bunch of 30+ HR guys who dont get there because of the park, im saying our park basically caps even our best hitters to somewhere in the low 20's. We dont have the benefit of a bandbox like Cincinatti, Texas, or Chicago, where an average hitter can reap the benefits of a live yard and look better than he really is.

Every good player weve ever acquired has seen their offensive numbers depressed because of the park. Kevin Pillar is the first guy ive seen in a long time who came here and had no issues with the park, although if he was a lefty it might be a bit of a different story.

The way to combat the offensive woes is to find a hitting coach, or a manager that can change the mindset. Will Clark talked on the radio about how hes gotten sick of hearing the hitters crying about the park being impossible to hit at, which means a culture of negativity has set it, which makes it that much more difficult to change.

Because of the weather, it's always going to be harder to hit im SF. There were similar issues at Candlestick. Willie Mays talked about abandoning trying to pull the ball altogether shortly after moving there. He just went the other way. Change the mindset and change the strategy.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by SFGiant49ers:

Originally posted by skeetskeet:

Originally posted by Niners99:
Even if they got rid of triples alley, how would that dramatically boost our offense? How many times did you see a Giants player hit a ball that landed out in triples alley on the fly? Rarely.

The air density of right on the bay, and the wind patterns in the stadium are the two biggest reasons Oracle is a tough place to hit. The dimensions aren't nearly the problem people say they are. Triples alley was just created to balance out the insanely short corner down the RF line. It will still be tough to hit them out to right even if triples alley is gone.

LOL while I'm not at all disagreeing with you, I went to baseball reference to see the 2002 teams numbers and I literally lost s**t when I saw Bonds OBP haha.

I forgot Reggie Sanders hit 20 HRs

I feel like almost everyone on that team hit 20+ that season. I think that was the year I truly became a diehard and watched every single game. I would plan my day around making sure I could watch the Giants games. Good thing I was only in high school I guess

We had 198 homeruns as a team in 2002, and had 235 the year before. That should just prove to everyone that the ballpark dimensions are not the issue.

I stand by my statement that I made earlier in the season that Garce laughed at. We lose a handful of homeruns a year because of triples alley.

2001 and 2002 was also the peak of the PED era, and Bonds accounted for 119 of those 433 HR.

Besides Bonds, we haven't had a player hit even 28 HR in 17 years, and its not because we didn't have the talent to do it.

Like I said, the physical dimensions of the park arent the issue. Its that baseballs dont travel well in cold, damp air. Especially with wind patterns that wrap around the RF side of the stadium and blow in towards the field. I bet if you looked at the HR spray charts for Oracle, the HR to the shortest part of the Willie Mays wall are still pretty sparse, despite being such a close distance to the plate.

Lefties know they have to get every bit of one to leave the yard, and they better pull the ball, which is a mental road block for your confidence. The only way to remedy that is to paint a HR line a few feet below the tin roofing so that you don't actually have to clear that wall for a HR.

Well, as you and I both know, this juiced ball era > steroid era in terms of homeruns (not even debatable). So forgive me if I dont buy any of this response.

But the one thing that stood out to me is your 28 homerun hitter in the last 17 years. Its not that we didnt have the talent? Ok who were the hitters we had that had the talent to hit 28 jacks in that time period?

The juiced ball era is barely 2 years old.

Im not saying weve had a bunch of 30+ HR guys who dont get there because of the park, im saying our park basically caps even our best hitters to somewhere in the low 20's. We dont have the benefit of a bandbox like Cincinatti, Texas, or Chicago, where an average hitter can reap the benefits of a live yard and look better than he really is.

Every good player weve ever acquired has seen their offensive numbers depressed because of the park. Kevin Pillar is the first guy ive seen in a long time who came here and had no issues with the park, although if he was a lefty it might be a bit of a different story.

The way to combat the offensive woes is to find a hitting coach, or a manager that can change the mindset. Will Clark talked on the radio about how hes gotten sick of hearing the hitters crying about the park being impossible to hit at, which means a culture of negativity has set it, which makes it that much more difficult to change.

Because of the weather, it's always going to be harder to hit im SF. There were similar issues at Candlestick. Willie Mays talked about abandoning trying to pull the ball altogether shortly after moving there. He just went the other way. Change the mindset and change the strategy.

Who are the hitters we have had in the last 17 years that had the talent to hit 28 homeruns?

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by SFGiant49ers:

Originally posted by skeetskeet:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Even if they got rid of triples alley, how would that dramatically boost our offense? How many times did you see a Giants player hit a ball that landed out in triples alley on the fly? Rarely.

The air density of right on the bay, and the wind patterns in the stadium are the two biggest reasons Oracle is a tough place to hit. The dimensions aren't nearly the problem people say they are. Triples alley was just created to balance out the insanely short corner down the RF line. It will still be tough to hit them out to right even if triples alley is gone.

LOL while I'm not at all disagreeing with you, I went to baseball reference to see the 2002 teams numbers and I literally lost s**t when I saw Bonds OBP haha.

I forgot Reggie Sanders hit 20 HRs

I feel like almost everyone on that team hit 20+ that season. I think that was the year I truly became a diehard and watched every single game. I would plan my day around making sure I could watch the Giants games. Good thing I was only in high school I guess

We had 198 homeruns as a team in 2002, and had 235 the year before. That should just prove to everyone that the ballpark dimensions are not the issue.

I stand by my statement that I made earlier in the season that Garce laughed at. We lose a handful of homeruns a year because of triples alley.

2001 and 2002 was also the peak of the PED era, and Bonds accounted for 119 of those 433 HR.

Besides Bonds, we haven't had a player hit even 28 HR in 17 years, and its not because we didn't have the talent to do it.

Like I said, the physical dimensions of the park arent the issue. Its that baseballs dont travel well in cold, damp air. Especially with wind patterns that wrap around the RF side of the stadium and blow in towards the field. I bet if you looked at the HR spray charts for Oracle, the HR to the shortest part of the Willie Mays wall are still pretty sparse, despite being such a close distance to the plate.

Lefties know they have to get every bit of one to leave the yard, and they better pull the ball, which is a mental road block for your confidence. The only way to remedy that is to paint a HR line a few feet below the tin roofing so that you don't actually have to clear that wall for a HR.

Well, as you and I both know, this juiced ball era > steroid era in terms of homeruns (not even debatable). So forgive me if I dont buy any of this response.

But the one thing that stood out to me is your 28 homerun hitter in the last 17 years. Its not that we didnt have the talent? Ok who were the hitters we had that had the talent to hit 28 jacks in that time period?

The juiced ball era is barely 2 years old.

Im not saying weve had a bunch of 30+ HR guys who dont get there because of the park, im saying our park basically caps even our best hitters to somewhere in the low 20's. We dont have the benefit of a bandbox like Cincinatti, Texas, or Chicago, where an average hitter can reap the benefits of a live yard and look better than he really is.

Every good player weve ever acquired has seen their offensive numbers depressed because of the park. Kevin Pillar is the first guy ive seen in a long time who came here and had no issues with the park, although if he was a lefty it might be a bit of a different story.

The way to combat the offensive woes is to find a hitting coach, or a manager that can change the mindset. Will Clark talked on the radio about how hes gotten sick of hearing the hitters crying about the park being impossible to hit at, which means a culture of negativity has set it, which makes it that much more difficult to change.

Because of the weather, it's always going to be harder to hit im SF. There were similar issues at Candlestick. Willie Mays talked about abandoning trying to pull the ball altogether shortly after moving there. He just went the other way. Change the mindset and change the strategy.

Who are the hitters we have had in the last 17 years that had the talent to hit 28 homeruns?

Pence, Posey, Durham, Huff, Alou, Pablo, etc. I wont say Belt because it'll trigger skeet.

Are you really arguing that our park doesn't give any significant disadvantage to hitters, and we've just fielded mediocre talent for 17 years?

There's no way the Giants only lose "a handful" of homers to triples alley over the course of 81 games. Not saying they lose a hundred, but it's more than just 4 or 5

Originally posted by SFGiant49ers:
There's no way the Giants only lose "a handful" of homers to triples alley over the course of 81 games. Not saying they lose a hundred, but it's more than just 4 or 5

Of course the Giants would hit more homeruns if they moved in the fences. But given the fact that virtually every team in the National League has more power I'm not sure that the benefits outweigh the costs as far as wins and losses go. Its bad enough facing the Dodgers with Bellinger, Pederson, Muncy, and Seager now. Hate to think how much more dominant they would be at Oracle with shorter dimensions in RF.

The main reason to move the fences in would simply be to add more excitement for the fans and get more runs per game. With the declining attendance I totally can see why they will do it.

Originally posted by SFGiant49ers:

There's no way the Giants only lose "a handful" of homers to triples alley over the course of 81 games. Not saying they lose a hundred, but it's more than just 4 or 5

An Amish handful

Originally posted by SFGiant49ers:

There's no way the Giants only lose "a handful" of homers to triples alley over the course of 81 games. Not saying they lose a hundred, but it's more than just 4 or 5

Picture in your head the number of times each season that a Giants player hits a ball so far that it landed in the triples alley gap on the fly. Id say maybe 5-7 times, and that's probably generous.

If you're hitting fly balls to left at Oracle, you're trying to pull it. Even if you closed off 421 into 405, driving the ball to right center isnt a power alley players are going to hit towards. The wind knocks everything down in that direction unless its a warm day game.

Like John said, making the park more offense friendly is just going to eliminate any pitching advantage we have.

Next year maybe ill try and track HR's to right/right center, and how many balls hit off the bricks. It's pretty uncommon. How many balls did the Giants hit far enough to hit brick above the padding this year? Increasing offense to right would take much more drastic reconfigurations than just closing triples alley IMO.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by SFGiant49ers:

Originally posted by skeetskeet:

Originally posted by Niners99:
Even if they got rid of triples alley, how would that dramatically boost our offense? How many times did you see a Giants player hit a ball that landed out in triples alley on the fly? Rarely.

The air density of right on the bay, and the wind patterns in the stadium are the two biggest reasons Oracle is a tough place to hit. The dimensions aren't nearly the problem people say they are. Triples alley was just created to balance out the insanely short corner down the RF line. It will still be tough to hit them out to right even if triples alley is gone.

LOL while I'm not at all disagreeing with you, I went to baseball reference to see the 2002 teams numbers and I literally lost s**t when I saw Bonds OBP haha.

I forgot Reggie Sanders hit 20 HRs

I feel like almost everyone on that team hit 20+ that season. I think that was the year I truly became a diehard and watched every single game. I would plan my day around making sure I could watch the Giants games. Good thing I was only in high school I guess

We had 198 homeruns as a team in 2002, and had 235 the year before. That should just prove to everyone that the ballpark dimensions are not the issue.

I stand by my statement that I made earlier in the season that Garce laughed at. We lose a handful of homeruns a year because of triples alley.

2001 and 2002 was also the peak of the PED era, and Bonds accounted for 119 of those 433 HR.

Besides Bonds, we haven't had a player hit even 28 HR in 17 years, and its not because we didn't have the talent to do it.

Like I said, the physical dimensions of the park arent the issue. Its that baseballs dont travel well in cold, damp air. Especially with wind patterns that wrap around the RF side of the stadium and blow in towards the field. I bet if you looked at the HR spray charts for Oracle, the HR to the shortest part of the Willie Mays wall are still pretty sparse, despite being such a close distance to the plate.

Lefties know they have to get every bit of one to leave the yard, and they better pull the ball, which is a mental road block for your confidence. The only way to remedy that is to paint a HR line a few feet below the tin roofing so that you don't actually have to clear that wall for a HR.

Well, as you and I both know, this juiced ball era > steroid era in terms of homeruns (not even debatable). So forgive me if I dont buy any of this response.

But the one thing that stood out to me is your 28 homerun hitter in the last 17 years. Its not that we didnt have the talent? Ok who were the hitters we had that had the talent to hit 28 jacks in that time period?

The juiced ball era is barely 2 years old.

Im not saying weve had a bunch of 30+ HR guys who dont get there because of the park, im saying our park basically caps even our best hitters to somewhere in the low 20's. We dont have the benefit of a bandbox like Cincinatti, Texas, or Chicago, where an average hitter can reap the benefits of a live yard and look better than he really is.

Every good player weve ever acquired has seen their offensive numbers depressed because of the park. Kevin Pillar is the first guy ive seen in a long time who came here and had no issues with the park, although if he was a lefty it might be a bit of a different story.

The way to combat the offensive woes is to find a hitting coach, or a manager that can change the mindset. Will Clark talked on the radio about how hes gotten sick of hearing the hitters crying about the park being impossible to hit at, which means a culture of negativity has set it, which makes it that much more difficult to change.

Because of the weather, it's always going to be harder to hit im SF. There were similar issues at Candlestick. Willie Mays talked about abandoning trying to pull the ball altogether shortly after moving there. He just went the other way. Change the mindset and change the strategy.

Who are the hitters we have had in the last 17 years that had the talent to hit 28 homeruns?

Pence, Posey, Durham, Huff, Alou, Pablo, etc. I wont say Belt because it'll trigger skeet.

Are you really arguing that our park doesn't give any significant disadvantage to hitters, and we've just fielded mediocre talent for 17 years?

I dont agree with all of the names that you listed at all. Yet, even if I was to agree, the fact that you named six hitters in almost 2 decades of baseball proves my point exactly. That this is a talent issue, and not a ballpark issue.

Seems like other teams have no problem hitting bombs in our park

Originally posted by Zachary:

Seems like other teams have no problem hitting bombs in our park

https://www.google.com/amp/s/goldengatesports.com/2018/02/10/san-francisco-giants-att-park-barrel/amp/

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by SFGiant49ers:

Originally posted by skeetskeet:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Even if they got rid of triples alley, how would that dramatically boost our offense? How many times did you see a Giants player hit a ball that landed out in triples alley on the fly? Rarely.

The air density of right on the bay, and the wind patterns in the stadium are the two biggest reasons Oracle is a tough place to hit. The dimensions aren't nearly the problem people say they are. Triples alley was just created to balance out the insanely short corner down the RF line. It will still be tough to hit them out to right even if triples alley is gone.

LOL while I'm not at all disagreeing with you, I went to baseball reference to see the 2002 teams numbers and I literally lost s**t when I saw Bonds OBP haha.

I forgot Reggie Sanders hit 20 HRs

I feel like almost everyone on that team hit 20+ that season. I think that was the year I truly became a diehard and watched every single game. I would plan my day around making sure I could watch the Giants games. Good thing I was only in high school I guess

We had 198 homeruns as a team in 2002, and had 235 the year before. That should just prove to everyone that the ballpark dimensions are not the issue.

I stand by my statement that I made earlier in the season that Garce laughed at. We lose a handful of homeruns a year because of triples alley.

2001 and 2002 was also the peak of the PED era, and Bonds accounted for 119 of those 433 HR.

Besides Bonds, we haven't had a player hit even 28 HR in 17 years, and its not because we didn't have the talent to do it.

Like I said, the physical dimensions of the park arent the issue. Its that baseballs dont travel well in cold, damp air. Especially with wind patterns that wrap around the RF side of the stadium and blow in towards the field. I bet if you looked at the HR spray charts for Oracle, the HR to the shortest part of the Willie Mays wall are still pretty sparse, despite being such a close distance to the plate.

Lefties know they have to get every bit of one to leave the yard, and they better pull the ball, which is a mental road block for your confidence. The only way to remedy that is to paint a HR line a few feet below the tin roofing so that you don't actually have to clear that wall for a HR.

Well, as you and I both know, this juiced ball era > steroid era in terms of homeruns (not even debatable). So forgive me if I dont buy any of this response.

But the one thing that stood out to me is your 28 homerun hitter in the last 17 years. Its not that we didnt have the talent? Ok who were the hitters we had that had the talent to hit 28 jacks in that time period?

The juiced ball era is barely 2 years old.

Im not saying weve had a bunch of 30+ HR guys who dont get there because of the park, im saying our park basically caps even our best hitters to somewhere in the low 20's. We dont have the benefit of a bandbox like Cincinatti, Texas, or Chicago, where an average hitter can reap the benefits of a live yard and look better than he really is.

Every good player weve ever acquired has seen their offensive numbers depressed because of the park. Kevin Pillar is the first guy ive seen in a long time who came here and had no issues with the park, although if he was a lefty it might be a bit of a different story.

The way to combat the offensive woes is to find a hitting coach, or a manager that can change the mindset. Will Clark talked on the radio about how hes gotten sick of hearing the hitters crying about the park being impossible to hit at, which means a culture of negativity has set it, which makes it that much more difficult to change.

Because of the weather, it's always going to be harder to hit im SF. There were similar issues at Candlestick. Willie Mays talked about abandoning trying to pull the ball altogether shortly after moving there. He just went the other way. Change the mindset and change the strategy.

Who are the hitters we have had in the last 17 years that had the talent to hit 28 homeruns?

Pence, Posey, Durham, Huff, Alou, Pablo, etc. I wont say Belt because it'll trigger skeet.

Are you really arguing that our park doesn't give any significant disadvantage to hitters, and we've just fielded mediocre talent for 17 years?

I dont agree with all of the names that you listed at all. Yet, even if I was to agree, the fact that you named six hitters in almost 2 decades of baseball proves my point exactly. That this is a talent issue, and not a ballpark issue.

Read the Fansided article I just posted.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by SFGiant49ers:

There's no way the Giants only lose "a handful" of homers to triples alley over the course of 81 games. Not saying they lose a hundred, but it's more than just 4 or 5

Picture in your head the number of times each season that a Giants player hits a ball so far that it landed in the triples alley gap on the fly. Id say maybe 5-7 times, and that's probably generous.

If you're hitting fly balls to left at Oracle, you're trying to pull it. Even if you closed off 421 into 405, driving the ball to right center isnt a power alley players are going to hit towards. The wind knocks everything down in that direction unless its a warm day game.

Like John said, making the park more offense friendly is just going to eliminate any pitching advantage we have.

Next year maybe ill try and track HR's to right/right center, and how many balls hit off the bricks. It's pretty uncommon. How many balls did the Giants hit far enough to hit brick above the padding this year? Increasing offense to right would take much more drastic reconfigurations than just closing triples alley IMO.

By "landed in the triples alley gap on the fly" are you meaning the ball actually landing on the warning track, or like right in front of the wall? That's not exactly what I'm referring to. I just mean balls hit out in that area that just die, and end up even 10-15 feet in front of the track, even when the dude who hit it absolutely crushed it. Then you hear either Kruk or Kuip say "he just got At&t'd" (or Oracle'd). That has happened a lot more than 5 to 7 times per year in my opinion. Maybe I'm over estimating it, but I think you guys are also under estimating it.

And they have that new graphic that shows how many ballparks a particular hit ball would be a homer in. When dudes hit the balls I'm referring to, it usually always says it would be a homer in 29/30 ballparks, with exception to Oracle of course. And on the road, when they show that graphic, Oracle is usually one of a couple, if not the only ballpark that the hit wouldn't be a homer in. And more often than not, it's on balls hit to right-center.

I'm not saying it happens every game, but I feel it happens a lot more often than you guys are thinking. Either way, I'm not saying I want them to knock the walls down and move the fences in 50 feet. It would be nice to see some more balls hit from our team that would go out out there though. And if putting a bullpen out there helps, good. Either way, we need more power on the roster anyways obviously.

Callaway?

Originally posted by mayo49:
Callaway?

NO

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Zachary:
Seems like other teams have no problem hitting bombs in our park

https://www.google.com/amp/s/goldengatesports.com/2018/02/10/san-francisco-giants-att-park-barrel/amp/

people are actually arguing that the park isn't the issue when this link is right there with 100% grade A organic facts listed in it.

READ THE ARTICLE AND SHUT UP. lmao.

It talks about other teams and f**king road games so any stupid ass point you want to make is addressed.