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Originally posted by Ninerjohn:I agree totally with Steve and I said that for both Smith and Bum. Look at what we got for Pomeranz . Some in here thought the Giants would get 1st rd compensation but that was never the case. At best the Giants will get a pick in the late 70s which is not close to what they would have received for Will Smith.
Originally posted by FaTaL:Im using common sense. If Pomeranz can get us Dubion then Smith would obviously have gotten more and the return would certainly have been more than a pick in the 70s in the 2020 draft. If you dont see that then I dont know what to tell you.
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
I agree totally with Steve and I said that for both Smith and Bum. Look at what we got for Pomeranz . Some in here thought the Giants would get 1st rd compensation but that was never the case. At best the Giants will get a pick in the late 70s which is not close to what they would have received for Will Smith.
Your speculating
Originally posted by wailers15:Originally posted by TheWooLick:Kapler has been an MLB manager for two years. Can anyone tell us what he is good at?
His results in Philly got him canned.
It wasn't his results that got him fired. He clashed with some key personalities there. Listening to Frandsen yesterday seemed like som characters with big egos. A lot of people in the Phillies organization apparently have a bunch of good things to say.
He did have a brutal start to his career in 18. Mos managed his pen a bunch but to his defense they had a lot of key injuries to the pen and his hand was forced.
Originally posted by Rubberneck36:Originally posted by TheWooLick:Kapler has been an MLB manager for two years. Can anyone tell us what he is good at?
His results in Philly got him canned.
in fairness, he inherited a team that was poop and made them a .500 team both years if that helps.
Originally posted by TheWooLick:Originally posted by wailers15:Originally posted by TheWooLick:Kapler has been an MLB manager for two years. Can anyone tell us what he is good at?
His results in Philly got him canned.
It wasn't his results that got him fired. He clashed with some key personalities there. Listening to Frandsen yesterday seemed like som characters with big egos. A lot of people in the Phillies organization apparently have a bunch of good things to say.
He did have a brutal start to his career in 18. Mos managed his pen a bunch but to his defense they had a lot of key injuries to the pen and his hand was forced.
What is he good at?
They add Bryce Harper and he adds one win and still no winning record.
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:Im using common sense. If Pomeranz can get us Dubion then Smith would obviously have gotten more and the return would certainly have been more than a pick in the 70s in the 2020 draft. If you dont see that then I dont know what to tell you.Originally posted by FaTaL:Originally posted by Ninerjohn:I agree totally with Steve and I said that for both Smith and Bum. Look at what we got for Pomeranz . Some in here thought the Giants would get 1st rd compensation but that was never the case. At best the Giants will get a pick in the late 70s which is not close to what they would have received for Will Smith.
Your speculating
Originally posted by Garce:So you agree with the point that Steve made and that I agreed with. Got it.
Trading Smith meant that we weren't going for a shot at the playoffs which is a s**t thing to do, imo.
We should have traded Bum as well if that were the case.
Going for the playoffs and getting something in return via the Qualifying Offer was a win-win for the franchise, the fans and Boch.
No doubt we could have gotten more value but that was never the objective. The goal was to make the playoffs. It's easy to second guess that in hindsight, it was the right decision at the time.
Originally posted by Niners99:If you go back and read my posts at the end of the hot streak I said that there was no way that Zaidi could trade Bum because the Giants were too close. And I am not mad now. But there is little doubt that the Giants would be better off today had they done so.
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by FaTaL:Im using common sense. If Pomeranz can get us Dubion then Smith would obviously have gotten more and the return would certainly have been more than a pick in the 70s in the 2020 draft. If you dont see that then I dont know what to tell you.
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
I agree totally with Steve and I said that for both Smith and Bum. Look at what we got for Pomeranz . Some in here thought the Giants would get 1st rd compensation but that was never the case. At best the Giants will get a pick in the late 70s which is not close to what they would have received for Will Smith.
Your speculating
The point is that because of the run we went on, pulling the plug on the season by trading Bum and Smith would have been HORRIBLE PR, not only for the fans, but your own players and coaches. They weren't going to have a firesale after that month, especially in Bochy's last stretch.
Be mad that we got white hot at the worst time. Dont be mad that we didn't trade them.
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:If you go back and read my posts at the end of the hot streak I said that there was no way that Zaidi could trade Bum because the Giants were too close. And I am not mad now. But there is little doubt that the Giants would be better off today had they done so.Originally posted by Niners99:Originally posted by Ninerjohn:Im using common sense. If Pomeranz can get us Dubion then Smith would obviously have gotten more and the return would certainly have been more than a pick in the 70s in the 2020 draft. If you dont see that then I dont know what to tell you.Originally posted by FaTaL:Originally posted by Ninerjohn:I agree totally with Steve and I said that for both Smith and Bum. Look at what we got for Pomeranz . Some in here thought the Giants would get 1st rd compensation but that was never the case. At best the Giants will get a pick in the late 70s which is not close to what they would have received for Will Smith.
Your speculating
The point is that because of the run we went on, pulling the plug on the season by trading Bum and Smith would have been HORRIBLE PR, not only for the fans, but your own players and coaches. They weren't going to have a firesale after that month, especially in Bochy's last stretch.
Be mad that we got white hot at the worst time. Dont be mad that we didn't trade them.
Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:I wonder if SD will try to get both MadBum and Strasburg.
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
I wonder if SD will try to get both MadBum and Strasburg.
Seriously doubt that. I do think they will go all in for Strasburg. Atlanta makes a lot of sense for Bumgarner
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:So you agree with the point that Steve made and that I agreed with. Got it.