San Francisco Giants 2019 Off-season Thread

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

It sucks. Simple.

We are gonna lose Bumgarner. No way he will want to play for the guy who pulled his ace after 5 innings of shutout ball because his analytics told him it was the right move. Just sucks all the way around.

And I dont buy the bad PR stuff. Would Zaidi and the Giants have upset the fans by trading Bum? Sure, some. Will people abandon being fans of the team? No. So who cares if the optics look bad. It only would have benefit the organization in the long run.

That was literally his first game as manager 2 years ago. He said hes learned a lot since then and has changed his outlook on stuff like that.

Posey and Bochy both gave strong endorsements for Kapler. Bum would trust their opinion over anything else. Regardless it will come down to money.

Jas he become good at making pitching changes since then?

I dont know. But managing the bullpen is the hardest part about being a manager, and it requires experience to get good at. Bochy wasn't good at it his first few years in SD either.

Meh
So far...
Some managers who get fired turn out to be good and some who are bad at making pitching changes get better.

Not ringing endorsements.

so who did you want? Espada? He might be in big trouble now.

Someone who was not a castoff from another team with a track record of not winning and who brings baggage and controversy.

It's a little much to say he has a history of anything when the dude has only managed for 2 years. I think that's an overreaction man. What matters most is not the manager, but how the farm is built this year and next.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

It sucks. Simple.

We are gonna lose Bumgarner. No way he will want to play for the guy who pulled his ace after 5 innings of shutout ball because his analytics told him it was the right move. Just sucks all the way around.

And I dont buy the bad PR stuff. Would Zaidi and the Giants have upset the fans by trading Bum? Sure, some. Will people abandon being fans of the team? No. So who cares if the optics look bad. It only would have benefit the organization in the long run.

That was literally his first game as manager 2 years ago. He said hes learned a lot since then and has changed his outlook on stuff like that.

Posey and Bochy both gave strong endorsements for Kapler. Bum would trust their opinion over anything else. Regardless it will come down to money.

Jas he become good at making pitching changes since then?

I dont know. But managing the bullpen is the hardest part about being a manager, and it requires experience to get good at. Bochy wasn't good at it his first few years in SD either.

Meh
So far...
Some managers who get fired turn out to be good and some who are bad at making pitching changes get better.

Not ringing endorsements.

so who did you want? Espada? He might be in big trouble now.

Someone who was not a castoff from another team with a track record of not winning and who brings baggage and controversy.

Again, Bochy and Posey both met with him, and both approved. As the two figures in this organization that are synonymous with success and doing things the right way, if hes good enough to them, he should be good enough for the fans.

Originally posted by Niners99:
On KNBR today Larry Krueger was painting a pretty dark picture of what the clubhouse could become this year due to veterans becoming disgruntled with Kapler's schtick.

He mentioned that the corps of veterans who have been there for championship baseball might not be interested in Kapler's philosophy, and it made me check the roster. Now with Bum likely gone, the Giants are down to just Posey, Crawford, and Belt as the only players left who were here for a championship season. Crazy. Obviously Posey isn't going to be causing issues in the clubhouse, and Crawford is probably too comfortable to care. Itd just be Belt who may get disgruntled.

Only 3 left though, just 5 years later.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

It sucks. Simple.

We are gonna lose Bumgarner. No way he will want to play for the guy who pulled his ace after 5 innings of shutout ball because his analytics told him it was the right move. Just sucks all the way around.

And I dont buy the bad PR stuff. Would Zaidi and the Giants have upset the fans by trading Bum? Sure, some. Will people abandon being fans of the team? No. So who cares if the optics look bad. It only would have benefit the organization in the long run.

That was literally his first game as manager 2 years ago. He said hes learned a lot since then and has changed his outlook on stuff like that.

Posey and Bochy both gave strong endorsements for Kapler. Bum would trust their opinion over anything else. Regardless it will come down to money.

Jas he become good at making pitching changes since then?

I dont know. But managing the bullpen is the hardest part about being a manager, and it requires experience to get good at. Bochy wasn't good at it his first few years in SD either.

Meh
So far...
Some managers who get fired turn out to be good and some who are bad at making pitching changes get better.

Not ringing endorsements.

so who did you want? Espada? He might be in big trouble now.

Someone who was not a castoff from another team with a track record of not winning and who brings baggage and controversy.

Again, Bochy and Posey both met with him, and both approved. As the two figures in this organization that are synonymous with success and doing things the right way, if hes good enough to them, he should be good enough for the fans.

Boat he's too classy to do anything but have kind words to say about the guy following him in the manager spot, impose he's not going to bash his new manager he's just not that kind of guy.

We shall see how it works. No pass for Zaidi with this hire.

Originally posted by SFrush:

Originally posted by Niners99:
On KNBR today Larry Krueger was painting a pretty dark picture of what the clubhouse could become this year due to veterans becoming disgruntled with Kapler's schtick.

He mentioned that the corps of veterans who have been there for championship baseball might not be interested in Kapler's philosophy, and it made me check the roster. Now with Bum likely gone, the Giants are down to just Posey, Crawford, and Belt as the only players left who were here for a championship season. Crazy. Obviously Posey isn't going to be causing issues in the clubhouse, and Crawford is probably too comfortable to care. Itd just be Belt who may get disgruntled.

Only 3 left though, just 5 years later.

All three are coming off really bad (All three below a WAR of one) seasons. I doubt any of them will make waves.

Originally posted by SFrush:

Originally posted by Niners99:
On KNBR today Larry Krueger was painting a pretty dark picture of what the clubhouse could become this year due to veterans becoming disgruntled with Kapler's schtick.

He mentioned that the corps of veterans who have been there for championship baseball might not be interested in Kapler's philosophy, and it made me check the roster. Now with Bum likely gone, the Giants are down to just Posey, Crawford, and Belt as the only players left who were here for a championship season. Crazy. Obviously Posey isn't going to be causing issues in the clubhouse, and Crawford is probably too comfortable to care. Itd just be Belt who may get disgruntled.

Only 3 left though, just 5 years later.

All three are coming off really bad (All three below a WAR of one) seasons. I doubt any of them will make waves.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

It sucks. Simple.

We are gonna lose Bumgarner. No way he will want to play for the guy who pulled his ace after 5 innings of shutout ball because his analytics told him it was the right move. Just sucks all the way around.

And I dont buy the bad PR stuff. Would Zaidi and the Giants have upset the fans by trading Bum? Sure, some. Will people abandon being fans of the team? No. So who cares if the optics look bad. It only would have benefit the organization in the long run.

That was literally his first game as manager 2 years ago. He said hes learned a lot since then and has changed his outlook on stuff like that.

Posey and Bochy both gave strong endorsements for Kapler. Bum would trust their opinion over anything else. Regardless it will come down to money.

Jas he become good at making pitching changes since then?

I dont know. But managing the bullpen is the hardest part about being a manager, and it requires experience to get good at. Bochy wasn't good at it his first few years in SD either.

Meh
So far...
Some managers who get fired turn out to be good and some who are bad at making pitching changes get better.

Not ringing endorsements.

so who did you want? Espada? He might be in big trouble now.

Someone who was not a castoff from another team with a track record of not winning and who brings baggage and controversy.

Again, Bochy and Posey both met with him, and both approved. As the two figures in this organization that are synonymous with success and doing things the right way, if hes good enough to them, he should be good enough for the fans.

Boat he's too classy to do anything but have kind words to say about the guy following him in the manager spot, impose he's not going to bash his new manager he's just not that kind of guy.

We shall see how it works. No pass for Zaidi with this hire.

Bochy and Posey could have just as easily said nothing.

I didn't like the hire, but im going to give Kapler a fair chance.

Originally posted by mcbaes72:

Slow news, reading rumors, etc. But this one got me a little angry. Read the last suggestion, no way do I want him in a Giants uniform!

OTOH, I'm okay with first two possibilities.

Article

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

what would you all put our chances at keeping Bum? 20%?

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by mcbaes72:
Slow news, reading rumors, etc. But this one got me a little angry. Read the last suggestion, no way do I want him in a Giants uniform!

OTOH, I'm okay with first two possibilities.

Article

Let me guess, its Puig.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by mcbaes72:
Slow news, reading rumors, etc. But this one got me a little angry. Read the last suggestion, no way do I want him in a Giants uniform!

OTOH, I'm okay with first two possibilities.

Article

Let me guess, its Puig.

I'd love Puig to be a Giant.