***2019 NBA OFF-SEASON***

Originally posted by sacniner:
Haha, yes I did selectively read Steve's post

IMO, defensive rebounding is a very important part of playing defense. Offensive rebounding wins a lot of games. Limiting possessions is really important. I may place a higher value on it than you. Russ is a WAY better rebounder than cp3.

Good talking basketball with you my dude.

Gimme Russ over cp3 any day that ends in y...

Not if padding your rebound stats means you slack off on defense. And he does, all the time. He also gets the cheapies on missed FT's, as Adams or one of the other bigs just box out and let him have those. I will agree with you though that Paul is not what he once once, maybe not even close. Seems to rely on guile (errr ... flopping and cheating) as much actual great play. Even considering that, I would bet that to this day that other PG's in the league would rather be checked by Russ than CP.

Blues, I respect your post but I don't do the YouTube selective highlight videos. I hate those. I can find many on Paul that are negative, or any nba player for that matter. Easy to find clips... but yes, Russ does pad his stats at times. That doesn't mean that he isn't an elite rebounder as a PG. May be the best rebounding PG

Fair post though

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

The long and the short of Summer League.

Love me some Boogie

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

You can call me out Sac. Doesnt bother me. However, you might want to read Steve's post again. You know... the part where he says "One thing is for sure, CP has always been better than Russ defensively."

So far you are outnumbered with your take my friend. Still waiting for others to come in and say that Westbrook is WAY WAY WAY better on defense like you said.

BTW.. pretty funny that you included rebounds and put that in bold as if it should count for playing defense

Haha, yes I did selectively read Steve's post

IMO, defensive rebounding is a very important part of playing defense. Offensive rebounding wins a lot of games. Limiting possessions is really important. I may place a higher value on it than you. Russ is a WAY better rebounder than cp3.

Good talking basketball with you my dude.

Gimme Russ over cp3 any day that ends in y...

Not for guards. Their importance is getting back on defense so the other team can't get fastbreak transition points. Russ abandons that responsibility with reckless abandon.

Originally posted by DaBum:

Not for guards. Their importance is getting back on defense so the other team can't get fastbreak transition points. Russ abandons that responsibility with reckless abandon.

I disagree in our new "position-less" nba. The traditional center position is going away and a lot of big men hang on the perimeter. With that in mind, rebounding from all positions is important. A PG grabbing five a game is nice... Russ gets 9 plus

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by DaBum:

Not for guards. Their importance is getting back on defense so the other team can't get fastbreak transition points. Russ abandons that responsibility with reckless abandon.

I disagree in our new "position-less" nba. The traditional center position is going away and a lot of big men hang on the perimeter. With that in mind, rebounding from all positions is important. A PG grabbing five a game is nice... Russ gets 9 plus

They still have responsibilities. Most guards aren't crashing the boards. The league shoots more 3s than ever. Those, especially early ones, lead to fastbreaks. Guards are also on the perimeter more because of the 3. That means guards predominantly need to get back on defense because there are 2-3 opponents sprinting out for a potential fastbreak.

You think Adams was getting back in place of Westbrook who was chasing his triple double? Of course not. You can ignore the videos posted above but what they show is the reality of what Westbrook does. Don't want to believe multiple videos? Research it. Plenty has been written about Westbrook letting his guy leak out in order to chase a rebound that he may or may not get.

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by DaBum:
Not for guards. Their importance is getting back on defense so the other team can't get fastbreak transition points. Russ abandons that responsibility with reckless abandon.

I disagree in our new "position-less" nba. The traditional center position is going away and a lot of big men hang on the perimeter. With that in mind, rebounding from all positions is important. A PG grabbing five a game is nice... Russ gets 9 plus

Perhaps but OKC has Steven Adams who is truly a traditional center and certainly isnt hanging on the perimeter looking for 3 point shots. I dont think anyone would deny that Westbrook padded his rebounding stats in order to get triple doubles. In any case, I think most would agree that he can rebound the ball. The disagreement is how effectively he can stop the opposing PG from scoring.

Maybe RW does have the skills to play decent D but defense is mostly effort and desire and he has never shown that side when playing that side of the court. On the other hand, Chris Paul has always given full effort on defense which has been recognized by being named ALL NBA Defense 9 times.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Perhaps but OKC has Steven Adams who is truly a traditional center and certainly isnt hanging on the perimeter looking for 3 point shots. I dont think anyone would deny that Westbrook padded his rebounding stats in order to get triple doubles. In any case, I think most would agree that he can rebound the ball. The disagreement is how effectively he can stop the opposing PG from scoring.

Maybe RW does have the skills to play decent D but defense is mostly effort and desire and he has never shown that side when playing that side of the court. On the other hand, Chris Paul has always given full effort on defense which has been recognized by being named ALL NBA Defense 9 times.

Fair enough and we can put this debate to bed. I think Paul's defense has slipped due to his age and decline in athleticism

Originally posted by DaBum:

They still have responsibilities. Most guards aren't crashing the boards. The league shoots more 3s than ever. Those, especially early ones, lead to fastbreaks. Guards are also on the perimeter more because of the 3. That means guards predominantly need to get back on defense because there are 2-3 opponents sprinting out for a potential fastbreak.

You think Adams was getting back in place of Westbrook who was chasing his triple double? Of course not. You can ignore the videos posted above but what they show is the reality of what Westbrook does. Don't want to believe multiple videos? Research it. Plenty has been written about Westbrook letting his guy leak out in order to chase a rebound that he may or may not get.

Here is some research for you:

Guards getting rebounds can be very effective. Especially if that guard is great in transition. Luke preached that with Lonzo and our forwards. He wanted the bigs to box out and Lonzo, Bron, or Ingram getting the defensive rebound. And it does help when your PG can help out on the boards as well. Yes Russ sometimes pads his rebound stats, but all the elite rebounding guards have done that.

Benjamin not got anywhere any time soon

Originally posted by Knowledge:
Benjamin not got anywhere any time soon

Philadelphia 76ers star Ben Simmons has agreed to a five-year, $170 million maximum contract extension, agent Rich Paul tells @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) July 15, 2019

He can't shoot worth a s**t outside of five feet.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Knowledge:

Benjamin not got anywhere any time soon

Philadelphia 76ers star Ben Simmons has agreed to a five-year, $170 million maximum contract extension, agent Rich Paul tells @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) July 15, 2019

He can't shoot worth a s**t outside of five feet.

This is what happens when you tank on purpose. You get a PG that can't shoot for a huge contract. B-ball Karma

Originally posted by DynastyChile:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Knowledge:

Benjamin not got anywhere any time soon

Philadelphia 76ers star Ben Simmons has agreed to a five-year, $170 million maximum contract extension, agent Rich Paul tells @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) July 15, 2019

He can't shoot worth a s**t outside of five feet.

This is what happens when you tank on purpose. You get a PG that can't shoot for a huge contract. B-ball Karma

Trust the process. lol

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by DynastyChile:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Knowledge:
Benjamin not got anywhere any time soon

Philadelphia 76ers star Ben Simmons has agreed to a five-year, $170 million maximum contract extension, agent Rich Paul tells @TheAthleticNBA @Stadium.

— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) July 15, 2019

He can't shoot worth a s**t outside of five feet.

This is what happens when you tank on purpose. You get a PG that can't shoot for a huge contract. B-ball Karma

Trust the process. lol

ahhh yes let the hate flow through all of you