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Originally posted by boast:

Sterling blew it by not moving the Clippers to The Pond in Anaheim (now called The Honda Center) in the mid 90s. Orange County loves the Clippers and sold out every preseason game there. it also made sense to have a Clipper on a body of water. they could've made a new logo with a ship not unlike the Buccaneers logo.

I couldn't agree more.

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:

Originally posted by boast:

Sterling blew it by not moving the Clippers to The Pond in Anaheim (now called The Honda Center) in the mid 90s. Orange County loves the Clippers and sold out every preseason game there. it also made sense to have a Clipper on a body of water. they could've made a new logo with a ship not unlike the Buccaneers logo.

I need a visual map image of this possible Clipper fan base.

So frontrunners, rich white beach oceanfront people, - 1/3 of males under 14 - Clipper fans

Regular schmoes, working class, 90% of Los Angelenos and most anybody over 21 - Laker fans

You know LA is a big city with a lot of very wealthy people who want to be seen right? You know the city can easily support two teams right?

You know the Clips had a better attendance average than the Lakers when they had stars (Paul, Griffin)? They had over 100% for six straight seasons from 2012-2017, beat the Lakers in those seasons and we're top 10 in the NBA each time too.

Your take goes directly against what history tells us. LA will support the Clips greatly if they are winning.

Originally posted by DaBum:

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:

Originally posted by boast:

Sterling blew it by not moving the Clippers to The Pond in Anaheim (now called The Honda Center) in the mid 90s. Orange County loves the Clippers and sold out every preseason game there. it also made sense to have a Clipper on a body of water. they could've made a new logo with a ship not unlike the Buccaneers logo.

I need a visual map image of this possible Clipper fan base.

So frontrunners, rich white beach oceanfront people, - 1/3 of males under 14 - Clipper fans

Regular schmoes, working class, 90% of Los Angelenos and most anybody over 21 - Laker fans

You know LA is a big city with a lot of very wealthy people who want to be seen right? You know the city can easily support two teams right?

You know the Clips had a better attendance average than the Lakers when they had stars (Paul, Griffin)? They had over 100% for six straight seasons from 2012-2017, beat the Lakers in those seasons and we're top 10 in the NBA each time too.

Your take goes directly against what history tells us. LA will support the Clips greatly if they are winning.

You got a link to these stats? Some of this stuff seems kinda far fetched.

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by DaBum:

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:

Originally posted by boast:
Sterling blew it by not moving the Clippers to The Pond in Anaheim (now called The Honda Center) in the mid 90s. Orange County loves the Clippers and sold out every preseason game there. it also made sense to have a Clipper on a body of water. they could've made a new logo with a ship not unlike the Buccaneers logo.

I need a visual map image of this possible Clipper fan base.

So frontrunners, rich white beach oceanfront people, - 1/3 of males under 14 - Clipper fans

Regular schmoes, working class, 90% of Los Angelenos and most anybody over 21 - Laker fans

You know LA is a big city with a lot of very wealthy people who want to be seen right? You know the city can easily support two teams right?

You know the Clips had a better attendance average than the Lakers when they had stars (Paul, Griffin)? They had over 100% for six straight seasons from 2012-2017, beat the Lakers in those seasons and we're top 10 in the NBA each time too.

Your take goes directly against what history tells us. LA will support the Clips greatly if they are winning.

You got a link to these stats? Some of this stuff seems kinda far fetched.

He is correct.

http://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/_/year/2012 (you can change the year to verify but 12-17 Clippers were ahead)

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Without question. I also do not think the Clippers will have any problem filling a beautiful new arena as long as they have one of the best teams in the league. Balmer is a very smart guy. He knows that being in the LA market is just so much better than being elsewhere.

This. Imagine buying a team in LA for $2 billion and then moving them out of that market. As a business decision it would be right up there with Blockbuster passing on buying up Netflix because "streaming is a small fad that will never catch on." The Clippers were profitable under Sterling who gave zero f**ks about putting out a good product, just cashing in. A winning Clippers team will be insanely profitable, even while sharing the market with the Lakers.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by DaBum:

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:

Originally posted by boast:

Sterling blew it by not moving the Clippers to The Pond in Anaheim (now called The Honda Center) in the mid 90s. Orange County loves the Clippers and sold out every preseason game there. it also made sense to have a Clipper on a body of water. they could've made a new logo with a ship not unlike the Buccaneers logo.

I need a visual map image of this possible Clipper fan base.

So frontrunners, rich white beach oceanfront people, - 1/3 of males under 14 - Clipper fans

Regular schmoes, working class, 90% of Los Angelenos and most anybody over 21 - Laker fans

You know LA is a big city with a lot of very wealthy people who want to be seen right? You know the city can easily support two teams right?

You know the Clips had a better attendance average than the Lakers when they had stars (Paul, Griffin)? They had over 100% for six straight seasons from 2012-2017, beat the Lakers in those seasons and we're top 10 in the NBA each time too.

Your take goes directly against what history tells us. LA will support the Clips greatly if they are winning.

You got a link to these stats? Some of this stuff seems kinda far fetched.

He is correct.

http://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/_/year/2012 (you can change the year to verify but 12-17 Clippers were ahead)

And just barely. Lakers were not good during those years and still almost out sold them lol.

If we are just talking about packing arenas, sure, its 20k that fit in that building, you can get 20k ppl in LA everynight that will go to a game. But can they take over the city, or even close to that. Are the day time and late time talk shows gonna start talking clippers. Clippers radio shows? Their own channel? Are ppl gonna be walking down the streets in clippers gear? What about other cities, or even other countries? People purchase Lakers gear in Lithuania. That aint happening anytime soon with the Clippers.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
And just barely. Lakers were not good during those years and still almost out sold them lol.

If we are just talking about packing arenas, sure, its 20k that fit in that building, you can get 20k ppl in LA everynight that will go to a game. But can they take over the city, or even close to that. Are the day time and late time talk shows gonna start talking clippers. Clippers radio shows? Their own channel? Are ppl gonna be walking down the streets in clippers gear? What about other cities, or even other countries? People purchase Lakers gear in Lithuania. That aint happening anytime soon with the Clippers.

Clippers merch sales aren't as bad as you believe. I'm sure they'll return tot he top 10 in 2019

2013

1. New York
2. Miami
3. Los Angeles Lakers
4. Brooklyn
5. Chicago
6. Boston
7. Oklahoma City
8. Los Angeles Clippers
9. San Antonio
10. Philadelphia

2015

1. Chicago
2. Cleveland
3. Golden State
4. Los Angeles Lakers
5. Oklahoma City
6. San Antonio
7. New York
8. Miami
9. Boston
10. Los Angeles Clippers

2018


https://sircharlesincharge.com/2018/04/18/trust-profits-nba-merchandise-leaders-reveal-surprising-pattern-2018/

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
And just barely. Lakers were not good during those years and still almost out sold them lol.

If we are just talking about packing arenas, sure, its 20k that fit in that building, you can get 20k ppl in LA everynight that will go to a game. But can they take over the city, or even close to that. Are the day time and late time talk shows gonna start talking clippers. Clippers radio shows? Their own channel? Are ppl gonna be walking down the streets in clippers gear? What about other cities, or even other countries? People purchase Lakers gear in Lithuania. That aint happening anytime soon with the Clippers.

You are too fixated with whether or not they will surpass the Lakers in popularity. That isnt the question. You said that Balmer would be much smarter moving the Clippers? I couldnt disagree more. The Clippers will still have a huge TV market, a brand new arena in which they will sell out every game if they win, and will have a greater value (even as the 2nd team) than they could have anywhere else they could possibly move to. Hell. they are the 8th most valuable NBA franchise right now and that is without having their own arena. Brooklyn, the stepchild to the Knicks, is the 6th most valuable franchise. Any real estate guru will tell you... its all about LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION.

As for Clippers gear? Trust me, if they win titles there will be TONS of bandwagon LA fans wearing their gear. All you have to do is look at the Warriors and see that it just takes a winning team to suddenly get the population dressing in team gear.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

And just barely. Lakers were not good during those years and still almost out sold them lol.

If we are just talking about packing arenas, sure, its 20k that fit in that building, you can get 20k ppl in LA everynight that will go to a game. But can they take over the city, or even close to that. Are the day time and late time talk shows gonna start talking clippers. Clippers radio shows? Their own channel? Are ppl gonna be walking down the streets in clippers gear? What about other cities, or even other countries? People purchase Lakers gear in Lithuania. That aint happening anytime soon with the Clippers.

They don't need to. The Clippers don't need to dominate the LA market to be successful. If they win big they'll build up a fanbase, its not an all or nothing proposition where they either knock the Lakers into irrrelevance or may as well just pack up their s**t and leave town. As long as they win, the fans will be there. If they win a title next year, people aren't going to not show up at the parade. LA is massive, the market is plenty big enough for the Clippers to bite off a nice chunk for themselves without needing to take over the whole thing.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

And just barely. Lakers were not good during those years and still almost out sold them lol.

If we are just talking about packing arenas, sure, its 20k that fit in that building, you can get 20k ppl in LA everynight that will go to a game. But can they take over the city, or even close to that. Are the day time and late time talk shows gonna start talking clippers. Clippers radio shows? Their own channel? Are ppl gonna be walking down the streets in clippers gear? What about other cities, or even other countries? People purchase Lakers gear in Lithuania. That aint happening anytime soon with the Clippers.

You are too fixated with whether or not they will surpass the Lakers in popularity. That isnt the question. You said that Balmer would be much smarter moving the Clippers? I couldnt disagree more. The Clippers will still have a huge TV market, a brand new arena in which they will sell out every game if they win, and will have a greater value (even as the 2nd team) than they could have anywhere else they could possibly move to. Hell. they are the 8th most valuable NBA franchise right now and that is without having their own arena. Brooklyn, the stepchild to the Knicks, is the 6th most valuable franchise. Any real estate guru will tell you... its all about LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION.

As for Clippers gear? Trust me, if they win titles there will be TONS of bandwagon LA fans wearing their gear. All you have to do is look at the Warriors and see that it just takes a winning team to suddenly get the population dressing in team gear.

Ya good points. Location matters, if you are in the business of making money.

But that goes back to my original point. Balmer didnt buy the Clippers to make money. Obviously hes not in it to lose money, but he could care less about pocketing 100 mil every year. And thats why he can be a great owner and players would love to play for a rich guy like that who cares more about winning.

But he wants to be the man. You cant tell me someone that wealthy, with that personality, and his former position at microsoft, is okay with being a #2? He's already said it, in his mind Clippers can topple the Lakers.

Weren't we a lottery team and that was the peak of the clippers franchise (cp3 Blake deandre) ?

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
And just barely. Lakers were not good during those years and still almost out sold them lol.

If we are just talking about packing arenas, sure, its 20k that fit in that building, you can get 20k ppl in LA everynight that will go to a game. But can they take over the city, or even close to that. Are the day time and late time talk shows gonna start talking clippers. Clippers radio shows? Their own channel? Are ppl gonna be walking down the streets in clippers gear? What about other cities, or even other countries? People purchase Lakers gear in Lithuania. That aint happening anytime soon with the Clippers.

You are too fixated with whether or not they will surpass the Lakers in popularity. That isnt the question. You said that Balmer would be much smarter moving the Clippers? I couldnt disagree more. The Clippers will still have a huge TV market, a brand new arena in which they will sell out every game if they win, and will have a greater value (even as the 2nd team) than they could have anywhere else they could possibly move to. Hell. they are the 8th most valuable NBA franchise right now and that is without having their own arena. Brooklyn, the stepchild to the Knicks, is the 6th most valuable franchise. Any real estate guru will tell you... its all about LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION.

As for Clippers gear? Trust me, if they win titles there will be TONS of bandwagon LA fans wearing their gear. All you have to do is look at the Warriors and see that it just takes a winning team to suddenly get the population dressing in team gear.

Ya good points. Location matters, if you are in the business of making money.

But that goes back to my original point. Balmer didnt buy the Clippers to make money. Obviously hes not in it to lose money, but he could care less about pocketing 100 mil every year. And thats why he can be a great owner and players would love to play for a rich guy like that who cares more about winning.

But he wants to be the man. You cant tell me someone that wealthy, with that personality, and his former position at microsoft, is okay with being a #2? He's already said it, in his mind Clippers can topple the Lakers.

And a guy like Balmer thrives on challenges and risk/reward. I mean, lets say the Clippers win titles and become talk of Los Angeles. What if they start getting more and more Hollywood stars buying season tickets and sitting at courtside. You dont think that would make him more "the man" than winning in Seattle?

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:

Originally posted by boast:

Sterling blew it by not moving the Clippers to The Pond in Anaheim (now called The Honda Center) in the mid 90s. Orange County loves the Clippers and sold out every preseason game there. it also made sense to have a Clipper on a body of water. they could've made a new logo with a ship not unlike the Buccaneers logo.

I need a visual map image of this possible Clipper fan base.

So frontrunners, rich white beach oceanfront people, - 1/3 of males under 14 - Clipper fans

Regular schmoes, working class, 90% of Los Angelenos and most anybody over 21 - Laker fans

I've lived in various areas all over OC and LA basically my entire life. 90% is correct. To say OC is clipper land is hilarious. The only people who I know are clippers fans are fans only bc they hate their insufferable laker friends and went the other way. But 10% of La and OC is more profitable than most other areas so Balmer isn't wrong.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by DaBum:

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:

Originally posted by boast:

Sterling blew it by not moving the Clippers to The Pond in Anaheim (now called The Honda Center) in the mid 90s. Orange County loves the Clippers and sold out every preseason game there. it also made sense to have a Clipper on a body of water. they could've made a new logo with a ship not unlike the Buccaneers logo.

I need a visual map image of this possible Clipper fan base.

So frontrunners, rich white beach oceanfront people, - 1/3 of males under 14 - Clipper fans

Regular schmoes, working class, 90% of Los Angelenos and most anybody over 21 - Laker fans

You know LA is a big city with a lot of very wealthy people who want to be seen right? You know the city can easily support two teams right?

You know the Clips had a better attendance average than the Lakers when they had stars (Paul, Griffin)? They had over 100% for six straight seasons from 2012-2017, beat the Lakers in those seasons and we're top 10 in the NBA each time too.

Your take goes directly against what history tells us. LA will support the Clips greatly if they are winning.

You got a link to these stats? Some of this stuff seems kinda far fetched.

He is correct.

http://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/_/year/2012 (you can change the year to verify but 12-17 Clippers were ahead)

And just barely. Lakers were not good during those years and still almost out sold them lol.

If we are just talking about packing arenas, sure, its 20k that fit in that building, you can get 20k ppl in LA everynight that will go to a game. But can they take over the city, or even close to that. Are the day time and late time talk shows gonna start talking clippers. Clippers radio shows? Their own channel? Are ppl gonna be walking down the streets in clippers gear? What about other cities, or even other countries? People purchase Lakers gear in Lithuania. That aint happening anytime soon with the Clippers.

True, but on the court they are better than the Lakers..so there's that

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by DaBum:

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:

Originally posted by boast:

Sterling blew it by not moving the Clippers to The Pond in Anaheim (now called The Honda Center) in the mid 90s. Orange County loves the Clippers and sold out every preseason game there. it also made sense to have a Clipper on a body of water. they could've made a new logo with a ship not unlike the Buccaneers logo.

I need a visual map image of this possible Clipper fan base.

So frontrunners, rich white beach oceanfront people, - 1/3 of males under 14 - Clipper fans

Regular schmoes, working class, 90% of Los Angelenos and most anybody over 21 - Laker fans

You know LA is a big city with a lot of very wealthy people who want to be seen right? You know the city can easily support two teams right?

You know the Clips had a better attendance average than the Lakers when they had stars (Paul, Griffin)? They had over 100% for six straight seasons from 2012-2017, beat the Lakers in those seasons and we're top 10 in the NBA each time too.

Your take goes directly against what history tells us. LA will support the Clips greatly if they are winning.

You got a link to these stats? Some of this stuff seems kinda far fetched.

He is correct.

http://www.espn.com/nba/attendance/_/year/2012 (you can change the year to verify but 12-17 Clippers were ahead)

Yea that's an interesting time you chose right there 12-17 when Kobe tore his Achilles and we were a perennial doormat. In La, when you have the choice to buy a seat for $100 to a playoff bound clipper game or a $300 ticket for a lottery team laker and take your kids, bring a date to a game as a casual fan (who usually fills regular season seats) or someone that wants to see a live sport, you're going to choose clippers . So your data may be very convincing Looking at stas, but try and think a little deeper into it.