***2019 NBA OFF-SEASON***

Originally posted by valrod33:

lol

Originally posted by JustinMT:

Originally posted by 49erminion:

Originally posted by JustinMT:

Originally posted by DaBum:

Ainge is looking like a massive failure and his treating of a player like Baynes makes them a place to avoid in FA. Boston needs to consider making a change.

He's the most overrated GM in the league.

and yet ESPN loves what he did last night:

https://nesn.com/2019/06/why-espn-includes-celtics-biggest-among-winners-of-2019-nba-draft/

I think I heard last night that he's yet to draft an all star since 03. That's horrible for such a prestigious franchise.

They traded the 23rd pick in this draft for possibly the 30th pick in the draft next year? ( the bucks 1st next year from the suns) lol how is that winning the draft

Originally posted by InconvenientTruth21:
They traded the 23rd pick in this draft for possibly the 30th pick in the draft next year? ( the bucks 1st next year from the suns) lol how is that winning the draft

Media is full of guys and gals from Boston. Over-rating the Celtics is what they have done since they got Garnett and Ray Allen in trades.

Originally posted by 4ML:
Celtics have treated their players like commodities under Ainge. This is why top players don't want to come play for them. Plus, it's boston

What's wrong with Boston? I love that city. Fans meh.

Also teams treat players like that all the time...heck look at the players in the NBA, half those dudes pick and choose where they want to go, they most certainly don't have loyalty.

As for IT, dude overachieved and clearly had health issues...why would any team give him a massive contract after the fact? Just because? Nah this is about winning championships not giving out charity.

Originally posted by 4ML:
That's different though. Players know getting traded is part of business. But, they had Baynes opt in to his contract on assurances that he won't be traded this summer. He was traded couple of days later.

They assured IT that they'll pay him what he deserves - he played thru injury and sister's death for them and was traded when he aggravated his injury. They even asked him to delay his contract extension so they can sign Hayward.

That's their own damn fault...it's a business and that's why I'm all for players getting paid as much as possible as soon as possible. Teams do crap like that in every sport. Baynes could have said he would opt in one day then change his mind a day later just as well. IT could have agreed to delay his contract one day then change his mind the next.

Kyrie was talking about wanting to have his jersey hanging in the Boston rafters at one point...changed his mind. It's a business and sometimes it sucks for the player and sometimes it sucks for the team. Most times it sucks for the team in the NBA.

Originally posted by 4ML:

That's different though. Players know getting traded is part of business. But, they had Baynes opt in to his contract on assurances that he won't be traded this summer. He was traded couple of days later.

They assured IT that they'll pay him what he deserves - he played thru injury and sister's death for them and was traded when he aggravated his injury. They even asked him to delay his contract extension so they can sign Hayward.

Baynes has a no trade clause. If he wanted to block the trade to Phoenix he could have.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 4ML:
Celtics have treated their players like commodities under Ainge. This is why top players don't want to come play for them. Plus, it's boston

What's wrong with Boston? I love that city.

Also teams treat players like that all the time...heck look at the players in the NBA, half those dudes pick and choose where the want to go, they most certainly don't have loyalty.

As far IT, dude overachieved and clearly had health issues...why would any team give him a massive contract? Just because? Nah this is about winning championships not giving out charity.

It's not about loyalty. IT had health issues because...he played thru injuries based on Celtics promising that they'll take care of him...they asked him to delay his contract signing so they can first add FAs...but they reneged and when it was discovered that he seriously aggravated his injury, they moved on.

I'm sure from a team's and a fan's perceptive - those are shrewd moves. From a player's perspective - it's not.

This is why I always believed that Kyrie will not stay in Boston.

Trading a player is not a problem. Every player and agent understands it's a business. Making them a promise and then now following thru will rub the agents and players a wrong way. You do that enough times - you'll build a bad reputation...and I've read that from many reporters now that players have said this about Boston.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 4ML:
That's different though. Players know getting traded is part of business. But, they had Baynes opt in to his contract on assurances that he won't be traded this summer. He was traded couple of days later.

They assured IT that they'll pay him what he deserves - he played thru injury and sister's death for them and was traded when he aggravated his injury. They even asked him to delay his contract extension so they can sign Hayward.

Baynes has a no trade clause. If he wanted to block the trade to Phoenix he could have.

The #Celtics have officially re-signed Aron Baynes to a two-year deal. Some details on the deal and the no-trade clause that comes with it: https://t.co/R7bhDsk9E5

— Brian Robb (@BrianTRobb) July 7, 2018

From what I have read...the no-trade clause only applies to 2018-2019 season. Not the 2019-2020 season...which is when he will be traded to the Suns. Yesterday, they only agreed to do the trade.

Originally posted by 4ML:

From what I have read...the no-trade clause only applies to 2018-2019 season. Not the 2019-2020 season...which is when he will be traded to the Suns. Yesterday, they only agreed to do the trade.

What was being reported here is that the no trade clause was part of the player option as well. Plus dude is Australian, he'll feel right at home here. We got lots of desert, random creatures that will seriously injure/kill you, warm weather, its all good.

Originally posted by 4ML:

It's not about loyalty. IT had health issues because...he played thru injuries based on Celtics promising that they'll take care of him...they asked him to delay his contract signing so they can first add FAs...but they reneged and when it was discovered that he seriously aggravated his injury, they moved on.

I'm sure from a team's and a fan's perceptive - those are shrewd moves. From a player's perspective - it's not.

This is why I always believed that Kyrie will not stay in Boston.

Trading a player is not a problem. Every player and agent understands it's a business. Making them a promise and then now following thru will rub the agents and players a wrong way. You do that enough times - you'll build a bad reputation...and I've read that from many reporters now that players have said this about Boston.

That's his own damn fault like I said....he should have gotten his money ASAP like every other player. Tomorrow isn't guaranteed and injuries happen in sports. Truthfully, I don't buy that his agents were cool with him "waiting" anyway.

We see players leaving teams all the time, I'm a magic fan and have watched plenty of great players walk out that door because they want to play in a bigger market. Can't cry sour milk if the roles are reversed imo.

Any team in their right mind would have done what Boston did in that IT scenario, especially to land Irving.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 4ML:
From what I have read...the no-trade clause only applies to 2018-2019 season. Not the 2019-2020 season...which is when he will be traded to the Suns. Yesterday, they only agreed to do the trade.

What was being reported here is that the no trade clause was part of the player option as well. Plus dude is Australian, he'll feel right at home here. We got lots of desert, random creatures that will seriously injure/kill you, warm weather, its all good.

Hmm...not sure no-trade clauses can be applied to option years. Will have to check. I have read these rules before...I'll check again.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 4ML:
It's not about loyalty. IT had health issues because...he played thru injuries based on Celtics promising that they'll take care of him...they asked him to delay his contract signing so they can first add FAs...but they reneged and when it was discovered that he seriously aggravated his injury, they moved on.

I'm sure from a team's and a fan's perceptive - those are shrewd moves. From a player's perspective - it's not.

This is why I always believed that Kyrie will not stay in Boston.

Trading a player is not a problem. Every player and agent understands it's a business. Making them a promise and then now following thru will rub the agents and players a wrong way. You do that enough times - you'll build a bad reputation...and I've read that from many reporters now that players have said this about Boston.

That's his own damn fault like I said....he should have gotten his money ASAP like every other player in sports. Tomorrow isn't guaranteed and injuries happen in sports. Truthfully, I don't buy that his agents were cool with him "waiting" anyway.

We see players leaving teams all the time, I'm a magic fan and have watched plenty of great players walk out that door because they want to play in a bigger market. Can't cry sour milk if the roles are reversed imo.

Any team in their right mind would have done what Boston did in that IT scenario, especially to land Irving.

The fact remains...many stars don't want to play in Boston because of how Ainge has conducted business. So, that's that. You can call it whatever you want. There are only so many great players in the league...they're the ones in demand - not the other way around.

I'm quite happy though that Kyrie promised Boston that he'll re-sign and now he won't. He's gettin' a lot of flak from Celtics FO, media, and fans. Well, they got what they deserved and I'm looooling @ them. f**k 'em.

Originally posted by 4ML:

The fact remains...many stars don't want to play in Boston because of how Ainge has conducted business. So, that's that. You can call it whatever you want. There are only so many great players in the league...they're the ones in demand - not the other way around.

I'm quite happy though that Kyrie promised Boston that he'll re-sign and now he won't. He's gettin' a lot of flak from Celtics FO, media, and fans. Well, they got what they deserved and I'm looooling @ them. f**k 'em.

You're clearly a Boston hater and have some bias lol...I don't have a horse in this race being a magic fan.

I mean the only dudes that said no to Boston are davis & Irving both imo are overrated. I'm not all about Boston fans (pats fans are the worst) BUT if you're a pro athlete, embrace that city, and win some games...they'll take a bullet for you lol.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 4ML:

It's not about loyalty. IT had health issues because...he played thru injuries based on Celtics promising that they'll take care of him...they asked him to delay his contract signing so they can first add FAs...but they reneged and when it was discovered that he seriously aggravated his injury, they moved on.

I'm sure from a team's and a fan's perceptive - those are shrewd moves. From a player's perspective - it's not.

This is why I always believed that Kyrie will not stay in Boston.

Trading a player is not a problem. Every player and agent understands it's a business. Making them a promise and then now following thru will rub the agents and players a wrong way. You do that enough times - you'll build a bad reputation...and I've read that from many reporters now that players have said this about Boston.

That's his own damn fault like I said....he should have gotten his money ASAP like every other player in sports. Tomorrow isn't guaranteed and injuries happen in sports. Truthfully, I don't buy that his agents were cool with him "waiting" anyway.

We see players leaving teams all the time, I'm a magic fan and have watched plenty of great players walk out that door because they want to play in a bigger market. Can't cry sour milk if the roles are reversed imo.

Any team in their right mind would have done what Boston did in that IT scenario, especially to land Irving.

The fact remains...many stars don't want to play in Boston because of how Ainge has conducted business. So, that's that. You can call it whatever you want. There are only so many great players in the league...they're the ones in demand - not the other way around.

I'm quite happy though that Kyrie promised Boston that he'll re-sign and now he won't. He's gettin' a lot of flak from Celtics FO, media, and fans. Well, they got what they deserved and I'm looooling @ them. f**k 'em.

Yep. Pretty well accepted as fact that big time FA don't want to go to Boston because they don't trust the guy running the show.