***NBA DA BUBBLE OFF-SEASON Thread***

Originally posted by Jiks:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by DaBum:

Originally posted by Jiks:

The guy shoots far more than any other player in the league. If we tally up the 10 players with the highest fg's he's 9th in percentage within that 10. Middle of the pack in 3 pt%. #1 in turnovers and had around 180 more free throws than any other player in the entire league.

He's nothing great history wise and he's not even close. He's a middle of the road good player. Take away his signuture flop and he's basically CJ McCollum. They would be near identical if CJ got the same calls. CJ actually would be slightly better with his better percentages.

Lol

He's 4th on that list in eFG% but yeah use the outdated one.

He, MJ and Wilt are only players to ever average 30+ three years in a row. Hate his style but don't pretend he isn't an all time great scorer who scores with historic efficiency as well.

Bring Harden's FTs down to Giannis level and guess what? He still leads the league in scoring, easily.

Taking FTs out of it completely, Harden scores 4 pts more per game than CJ McCullum with a lot more assists, rebounds and steals.

Your post was one of the worst I've seen on here in regards to Harden and that's saying something because there are a crapton of Harden haters here.

Ya its just irrational hate.

I mean did you guys watch LeBron last night? I'm not a fan of his either but that is greatness. Kobe, damn I remember hating him... You know why? Dude would have me frustrated as hell when he would pull off such magic, hit an impossible shot, them proceed to hit clutch shots. Jordan hitting HUGE shots diminishing the careers of some my favorite players in Malone and Stockton. Who would be a lot farther up the greats list if they won something, but Jordan, the greatest ever, was in the way. I could go on and on about true greatness. Tim Duncan for example.

What an insult and embarrassment to all-time greats adding a guy thats known for nothing beside his flopping. A guy that's accomplished little to nothing as far as championships or team accolades. Even being surrounded with guys like Chris Paul who imo is the real MVP, he's accomplished nothing.

So yeah, think my comment is dumb but comparing him to greats like Jordan is an embarrassment to NBA history. A guy that literally needs refs help to be "great". A guy that hasn't even sniffed the finals. A guy that never will.

He's a good player. Hes had some amazing moments. But he's middle of the road, average on the greatness. Nothing special. 10-20 years from now his legacy will be that he was a flopper not some great.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Jiks:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by DaBum:

Originally posted by Jiks:

The guy shoots far more than any other player in the league. If we tally up the 10 players with the highest fg's he's 9th in percentage within that 10. Middle of the pack in 3 pt%. #1 in turnovers and had around 180 more free throws than any other player in the entire league.

He's nothing great history wise and he's not even close. He's a middle of the road good player. Take away his signuture flop and he's basically CJ McCollum. They would be near identical if CJ got the same calls. CJ actually would be slightly better with his better percentages.

Lol

He's 4th on that list in eFG% but yeah use the outdated one.

He, MJ and Wilt are only players to ever average 30 three years in a row. Hate his style but don't pretend he isn't an all time great scorer who scores with historic efficiency as well.

Bring Harden's FTs down to Giannis level and guess what? He still leads the league in scoring, easily.

Taking FTs out of it completely, Harden scores 4 pts more per game than CJ McCullum with a lot more assists, rebounds and steals.

Your post was one of the worst I've seen on here in regards to Harden and that's saying something because there are a crapton of Harden haters here.

Ya its just irrational hate.

I mean did you guys watch LeBron last night? I'm not a fan of his either but that is greatness. Kobe, damn I remember hating him... You know why? Dude would have me frustrated as hell when he would pull off such magic, hit an impossible shot, them proceed to hit clutch shots. Jordan hitting HUGE shots diminishing the careers of some my favorite players in Malone and Stockton. Who would be a lot farther up the greats list if they won something, but Jordan, the greatest ever, was in the way. I could go on and on about true greatness. Tim Duncan for example.

What an insult and embarrassment to all-time greats adding a guy thats known for nothing beside his flopping. A guy that's accomplished little to nothing as far as championships or team accolades. Even being surrounded with guys like Chris Paul who imo is the real MVP, he's accomplished nothing.

So yeah, think my comment is dumb but comparing him to greats like Jordan is an embarrassment to NBA history. A guy that literally needs refs help to be "great". A guy that hasn't even sniffed the finals. A guy that never will.

He's a good player. Hes had some amazing moments. But he's middle of the road, average on the greatness. Nothing special. 10-20 years from now his legacy will be that he was a flopper not some great.

The fact that you are comparing Harden to Jordan, Kobe and Duncan invalidates this entire post. Not a single rational person would ever put Harden in the same category as these guys so using them as your measuring stick is silly.

Originally posted by Jiks:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Jiks:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by DaBum:

Originally posted by Jiks:
The guy shoots far more than any other player in the league. If we tally up the 10 players with the highest fg's he's 9th in percentage within that 10. Middle of the pack in 3 pt%. #1 in turnovers and had around 180 more free throws than any other player in the entire league.

He's nothing great history wise and he's not even close. He's a middle of the road good player. Take away his signuture flop and he's basically CJ McCollum. They would be near identical if CJ got the same calls. CJ actually would be slightly better with his better percentages.

Lol

He's 4th on that list in eFG% but yeah use the outdated one.

He, MJ and Wilt are only players to ever average 30 three years in a row. Hate his style but don't pretend he isn't an all time great scorer who scores with historic efficiency as well.

Bring Harden's FTs down to Giannis level and guess what? He still leads the league in scoring, easily.

Taking FTs out of it completely, Harden scores 4 pts more per game than CJ McCullum with a lot more assists, rebounds and steals.

Your post was one of the worst I've seen on here in regards to Harden and that's saying something because there are a crapton of Harden haters here.

Ya its just irrational hate.

I mean did you guys watch LeBron last night? I'm not a fan of his either but that is greatness. Kobe, damn I remember hating him... You know why? Dude would have me frustrated as hell when he would pull off such magic, hit an impossible shot, them proceed to hit clutch shots. Jordan hitting HUGE shots diminishing the careers of some my favorite players in Malone and Stockton. Who would be a lot farther up the greats list if they won something, but Jordan, the greatest ever, was in the way. I could go on and on about true greatness. Tim Duncan for example.

What an insult and embarrassment to all-time greats adding a guy thats known for nothing beside his flopping. A guy that's accomplished little to nothing as far as championships or team accolades. Even being surrounded with guys like Chris Paul who imo is the real MVP, he's accomplished nothing.

So yeah, think my comment is dumb but comparing him to greats like Jordan is an embarrassment to NBA history. A guy that literally needs refs help to be "great". A guy that hasn't even sniffed the finals. A guy that never will.

He's a good player. Hes had some amazing moments. But he's middle of the road, average on the greatness. Nothing special. 10-20 years from now his legacy will be that he was a flopper not some great.

The fact that you are comparing Harden to Jordan, Kobe and Duncan invalidates this entire post. Not a single rational person would ever put Harden in the same category as these guys so using them as your measuring stick is silly.

So you agree he's a not a great? He's a middle of the road good player that without his free throws wouldn't even be that.

Seems like you are agreeing with me. He's a decent player who is only considered a top current player because he gets +9(a lot of the time 15-20) points per game at the free throw line. People say "well that's still 20+ PPG" but it's not if defenses could play him like they do every other player

Originally posted by sacniner:
There is a debate on whether or not Harden is great? Let me end it for you guys: yes, he is

Originally posted by sacniner:

There is a debate on whether or not Harden is great? Let me end it for you guys: yes, he is

Originally posted by DaBum:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Jiks:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by Jiks:

Most legit stars would've been just as good back in the day. Harden is really the only one that would be a scrub because getting an index fingers wind wasn't called a foul for 15+ ft's a game. Dude would've been out of the league 4-5 years ago.

Lol, it's insane how many people take Harden for granted. Probably the best one on one scorer in nba history. He would be good as hell in any era

Yep. Agreed. Harden is a freakin stud. He is just is so incredibly unlikable to watch. Doesnt mean he isnt an all world talent. People just need to differentiate between how much they like him and how good he is.

No he's not. Take away his foul shots where is he? He's middle of the pack, borderline all-star. He wouldn't get these calls in the 80s-90s. Today's fouls were considered good hard-nose defense back then. Now you literally can't even put a hand on a guy.

The guy has had some pretty stout teams but hasn't even been in the finals.

Absolutely insane take, IMO. And I am someone who cant stand watching Harden play.

Harden wouldn't have his step back in the hand check era. So many stars in today's game would be in trouble if hand checking were allowed. The fundamentals needed to run slower paced half court offenses weren't ever taught to most of the modern players. How many guys have good low post footwork anymore?

He finished second in MVP BEFORE he came up with the step back.

Also, explain how a handcheck prevents him from stepping backwards.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
My Jazz

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
My Jazz

Originally posted by ninersrule4:

Raptors talking about not playing

There's s**t that's bigger than sports

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by ninersrule4:

Raptors talking about not playing

There's s**t that's bigger than sports

They talked about it, it seems. It doesn't appear not playing is the action they're going to take.

Originally posted by DynastyChile:

I'm not trying to take away from the MT Jazz, but how are the Nuggets not more competitive in this series? You can't get beat in 5 games. Porter nokic Murray deep bench...