***NBA 2020-21 SEASON THREAD***

Originally posted by 4ML:
Point was - superstars in the past have also demanded trades or asked FO for better teammates or tried to form superteams in FA or force a trade away or to a certain team(s). We are exposed to it more bc there are 100 different media outlets and hundreds and thousands of ppl are repeating and discussing about it on social media.

Paul Pierce was going to ask to be trade that off-season if they didn't land stars to help him win.
Garnett didn't want to go to Boston if he couldn't form possibly the best team in the NBA.
Kobe demanded trade from lakers
Shaq demanded trade from lakers
Duncan was going to leave SA for Orlando to play with McGrady and Grant Hill - if Doc Rivers didn't deny his request to bring wife/gf on the team team.
Iverson demanded trade from sixers
Barkley forced his trade from Sixers to Suns
etc etc etc

Dude this is NOT what happened. The Celtics were one of the worst teams in the NBA before KG and Allen got there. KG was in Minnesota for 12 years losing. You think he wanted to go to another rebuilding team? "If he couldnt form possibly the best team in the NBA." Get out of here with that.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

From what I'm seeing that was pre trading for Ray Allen. Boston would have never traded for him if they thought he was a 1 year rental. KG didn't think they had enough but once they got Allen it became a different ballgame.

Having Paul Pierce then acquiring Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett is not something that happens every off-season. Sometimes sh aligns for you. It didn't with Davis.

Point was - superstars in the past have also demanded trades or asked FO for better teammates or tried to form superteams in FA or force a trade away or to a certain team(s). We are exposed to it more bc there are 100 different media outlets and hundreds and thousands of ppl are repeating and discussing about it on social media.

Paul Pierce was going to ask to be trade that off-season if they didn't land stars to help him win.
Garnett didn't want to go to Boston if he couldn't form possibly the best team in the NBA.
Kobe demanded trade from lakers
Shaq demanded trade from lakers
Duncan was going to leave SA for Orlando to play with McGrady and Grant Hill - if Doc Rivers didn't deny his request to bring wife/gf on the team team.
Iverson demanded trade from sixers
Barkley forced his trade from Sixers to Suns
etc etc etc

You need to understand that a lot of people on this forum didnt start watching bball until about 6years ago, so they aren't aware that players demanding a trade has been a thing for many years. Sure its gotten worse, but the OGs paved the way for players getting their way when demanding a trade.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 4ML:
He initially said he wanted to be in a warmer city and there was no chance he'd play in Boston. Garnett's agent said the exact same thing that AD's agent said to Boston. Basically, don't give up your assets bc my client won't re-sign.

Ainge had to make other moves. When they traded for Ray Allen - Danny Ainge met with Garnett in person and was able to convince him on forming a big 3.

So, I guess - Kevin Garnett - the biggest trash talker and one of the most competitive dudes of the late 90s and 2000s wanted an easier path to the championship.

Dude I know what you are doing just stop. Garnett played a dozen years in Minnesota and the only success the team had was because of him. Then he finally decides that he wants to leave the city in attempt to win, a decision that by all accounts was a difficult decision for him. The Celtics were one of the worst teams in basketball before Ray Allen and KG got there. Of course he wasnt all that interested in Boston prior to them making other moves. They were awful.

NBA allowed longer contracts extension to their rookies. Over the last 15 years - rules have changed and now rookie extensions are for lesser year - therefore players reach FA earlier and can take control of their careers earlier.

Anyway - Garnett has said he wanted to go play with Steve Nash with Suns or with Kobe in LA before Ainge got Ray Allen.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

From what I'm seeing that was pre trading for Ray Allen. Boston would have never traded for him if they thought he was a 1 year rental. KG didn't think they had enough but once they got Allen it became a different ballgame.

Having Paul Pierce then acquiring Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett is not something that happens every off-season. Sometimes sh aligns for you. It didn't with Davis.

Point was - superstars in the past have also demanded trades or asked FO for better teammates or tried to form superteams in FA or force a trade away or to a certain team(s). We are exposed to it more bc there are 100 different media outlets and hundreds and thousands of ppl are repeating and discussing about it on social media.

Paul Pierce was going to ask to be trade that off-season if they didn't land stars to help him win.
Garnett didn't want to go to Boston if he couldn't form possibly the best team in the NBA.
Kobe demanded trade from lakers
Shaq demanded trade from lakers
Duncan was going to leave SA for Orlando to play with McGrady and Grant Hill - if Doc Rivers didn't deny his request to bring wife/gf on the team team.
Iverson demanded trade from sixers
Barkley forced his trade from Sixers to Suns
etc etc etc

Not sure who said that it started yesterday. I think we'd all agree it started being a huge part of the game since the 00's.

There's no denying it's escalated though. LBJ is on super team #3. You won't find that.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

From what I'm seeing that was pre trading for Ray Allen. Boston would have never traded for him if they thought he was a 1 year rental. KG didn't think they had enough but once they got Allen it became a different ballgame.

Having Paul Pierce then acquiring Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett is not something that happens every off-season. Sometimes sh aligns for you. It didn't with Davis.

Point was - superstars in the past have also demanded trades or asked FO for better teammates or tried to form superteams in FA or force a trade away or to a certain team(s). We are exposed to it more bc there are 100 different media outlets and hundreds and thousands of ppl are repeating and discussing about it on social media.

Paul Pierce was going to ask to be trade that off-season if they didn't land stars to help him win.
Garnett didn't want to go to Boston if he couldn't form possibly the best team in the NBA.
Kobe demanded trade from lakers
Shaq demanded trade from lakers
Duncan was going to leave SA for Orlando to play with McGrady and Grant Hill - if Doc Rivers didn't deny his request to bring wife/gf on the team team.
Iverson demanded trade from sixers
Barkley forced his trade from Sixers to Suns
etc etc etc

Not sure who said that it started yesterday. I think we'd all agree it started being a huge part of the game since the 00's.

There's no denying it's escalated though. LBJ is on super team #3. You won't find that.

And they'd wrong. It started well before 00s. Several superstars in 90s demanded trade for various reasons or pressured FO to get better teammates.

Pippen asked for trade from Bulls too and refused to play for them.

Malone asked to be traded from Jazz and said he'd never play for them again.

Jordan told media publicly that he needed help and demanded the owner to fire the GM bc he couldn't get him better players.

As I mentioned - Barkley demanded and got traded to his preferred destination.

Hakeem demanded trade from Rockets - he even refused to play for them after team doctors cleared him and Rockets suspended him.

Clyde asked to be traded and forced the trade to the Rockets - successfully.

Dominique was drafted by Jazz and told them he didn't want to play for them and forced a trade.

Cavs were not a super-team and Lakers were definitely not a super-team last season. This year's Lakers can potentially be a super-team though.

^^^

And all of these were publicly demanded trades. For sure there were many others who demanded trade but never went public with it.

Originally posted by 4ML:

And they'd wrong. It started well before 00s. Several superstars in 90s demanded trade for various reasons or pressured FO to get better teammates.

Pippen asked for trade from Bulls too and refused to play for them.

Malone asked to be traded from Jazz and said he'd never play for them again.

Jordan told media publicly that he needed help and demanded the owner to fire the GM bc he couldn't get him better players.

As I mentioned - Barkley demanded and got traded to his preferred destination.

Hakeem demanded trade from Rockets - he even refused to play for them after team doctors cleared him and Rockets suspended him.

Clyde asked to be traded and forced the trade to the Rockets - successfully.

Dominique was drafted by Jazz and told them he didn't want to play for them and forced a trade.

Cavs were not a super-team and Lakers were definitely not a super-team last season. This year's Lakers can potentially be a super-team though.

A couple players doing it and a bunch of examples of players failing to be traded hardly makes your point. You're reaching big time with that. Facts are Pippen played with Jordan until the end, Malone was in Utah for 20 years. Hakeem was in Houston his whole prime. So you got Clyde and Barkley. Just saying the other guys were upset for a span and rocked the boat means little. Also it should be noted Utah had struggles making payroll and traded Wilkens for the mil. It wasn't just his demand out. End of the day though in today's landscape they'd be gone. Twice over.

Both Cleveland and LA were super teams. He was paired with 2 all stars in one and the top big guy in the league in the other.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Tell me more about these superstars Artest and Odom. Is that what we're calling them now? lol

I mean Artest was a 20+ point scorer, all star and defensive player of the year before and you're just ignoring Gasol who is a fringe Hall of Fame player. Yup they added no one. I'm sure that's just as good of a supporting cast of Andre Kirilenko and Carlos Boozer. Kobe would of won 9 titles with that.

Artest, who averaged 10/4/2 with the Lakers from 30-33. Whose best years were long behind him, was no superstar with them. I wouldn't even consider him a superstar in his prime. Great player. Definitely not a superstar. Putting Odom in that conversation is damn right laughable.

And I never said anything about Gasol. I specifically questioned Artest and Odom being called superstars. Which neither never was.

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Artest, who averaged 10/4/2 with the Lakers from 30-33. Whose best years were long behind him, was no superstar with them. I wouldn't even consider him a superstar in his prime. Great player. Definitely not a superstar. Putting Odom in that conversation is damn right laughable.

And I never said anything about Gasol. I specifically questioned Artest and Odom being called superstars. Which neither never was.

I kniw you didn't say anything about Gasol. But 4ml asked what superstars they acquired. You don't get to skip him. Acknowledge it.

And of course Artest averaged less scoring as the 3rd/ 4th option. That's how it works.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Artest, who averaged 10/4/2 with the Lakers from 30-33. Whose best years were long behind him, was no superstar with them. I wouldn't even consider him a superstar in his prime. Great player. Definitely not a superstar. Putting Odom in that conversation is damn right laughable.

And I never said anything about Gasol. I specifically questioned Artest and Odom being called superstars. Which neither never was.

I kniw you didn't say anything about Gasol. But 4ml asked what superstars they acquired. You don't get to skip him. Acknowledge it.

And of course Artest averaged less scoring as the 3rd/ 4th option. That's how it works.

I'm not in the dick measuring contest with you and 4ML. I'm in a side bar to correct your false use of the term "superstar".

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

I'm not in the dick measuring contest with you and 4ML. I'm in a side bar to correct your false use of the term "superstar".

No one said you had to measure any dicks. Just say I agree with Gasol instead of just pretending he wasn't added to the squad.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

I'm not in the dick measuring contest with you and 4ML. I'm in a side bar to correct your false use of the term "superstar".

No one said you had to measure any dicks. Just say I agree with Gasol instead of just pretending he wasn't added to the squad.

You're completely missing the point. I'm contesting your titling of Artest and Odom as superstars. That's it. I'm a 40+ year Lakers fan. You think I'm going to argue with you about the greatness of Pau Gasol? lol

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:
Artest, who averaged 10/4/2 with the Lakers from 30-33. Whose best years were long behind him, was no superstar with them. I wouldn't even consider him a superstar in his prime. Great player. Definitely not a superstar. Putting Odom in that conversation is damn right laughable.

And I never said anything about Gasol. I specifically questioned Artest and Odom being called superstars. Which neither never was.

I kniw you didn't say anything about Gasol. But 4ml asked what superstars they acquired. You don't get to skip him. Acknowledge it.

And of course Artest averaged less scoring as the 3rd/ 4th option. That's how it works.

Thats not what I said either. Pau Gasol could have been traded for by any of the other 29 teams. He didn't forced a trade to Lakers.

So, again - I ask you - which star or superstar joined the Lakers on their own volition between Shaq's and Lebron's Free Agency decisions?!? That's more than 20 years between them.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Thats not what I said either. Pau Gasol could have been traded for by any of the other 29 teams. He didn't forced a trade to Lakers.

So, again - I ask you - which star or superstar joined the Lakers on their own volition between Shaq's and Lebron's Free Agency decisions?!? That's more than 20 years between them.

I suggest you reread what you wrote (post 112). You just said what superstars joined them between Shaq and LeBron. And Gasol did say trade me to a contender. You can't say 29 teams had the option of him. It really just a few with Memphis taking a very questionable trade package for him. It kind of worked out with Marc though.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by 4ML:
And they'd wrong. It started well before 00s. Several superstars in 90s demanded trade for various reasons or pressured FO to get better teammates.

Pippen asked for trade from Bulls too and refused to play for them.

Malone asked to be traded from Jazz and said he'd never play for them again.

Jordan told media publicly that he needed help and demanded the owner to fire the GM bc he couldn't get him better players.

As I mentioned - Barkley demanded and got traded to his preferred destination.

Hakeem demanded trade from Rockets - he even refused to play for them after team doctors cleared him and Rockets suspended him.

Clyde asked to be traded and forced the trade to the Rockets - successfully.

Dominique was drafted by Jazz and told them he didn't want to play for them and forced a trade.

Cavs were not a super-team and Lakers were definitely not a super-team last season. This year's Lakers can potentially be a super-team though.

A couple players doing it and a bunch of examples of players failing to be traded hardly makes your point. You're reaching big time with that. Facts are Pippen played with Jordan until the end, Malone was in Utah for 20 years. Hakeem was in Houston his whole prime. So you got Clyde and Barkley. Just saying the other guys were upset for a span and rocked the boat means little. Also it should be noted Utah had struggles making payroll and traded Wilkens for the mil. It wasn't just his demand out. End of the day though in today's landscape they'd be gone. Twice over.

Both Cleveland and LA were super teams. He was paired with 2 all stars in one and the top big guy in the league in the other.

Agree to Disagree on super teams. If those are, in that case - there are multiple super teams in the nba throughout the 2010s and defeats the advantage of a super-team. IMO only Heatles and Hampton 5 are the superteam of 2010s.

Anyway, not reaching at all. All those players publicly demanded trades. They didn't rock the boat a little. Lol

Ppl were just in arms about Harden about demanding trade.

Yes, in today's landscape - they'd get traded. But, in today's landscape - teams trade their star players a lot more often too. So, that goes both ways.