***NBA 2020-21 SEASON THREAD***

Originally posted by Jiks:

The goal is to win a ring as easy as possible, nothing more. Just like other ring buyers, todays nba is to latch onto other talent because doing it the hard and honorable way is too hard. We all know, every single one of us, that Harden can't win a ring with actual team building around him. It's failed for years even as Houston has done everything in its power to compliment him. Now he's chasing just like Durant, *****, and many others.

Have to disagree with this. I think staying in one place under one system, under one boss, where you are super comfortable and don't have to adjust or take on a new challenge is an easy way out. I think moving to a different team, city, culture, and heightened expectations where you've to sacrifice your game and your status with the management and other players is anything but easy.

It takes courage to put yourself out there - instead of playing same couple PnR and PnP sets for 18 years with a HOF teammate without expectations from most of the NBA fanbases and media of not just winning 1 championship but multiple chips.

Originally posted by Jiks:

Originally posted by JustinMT:

Originally posted by ninersrule4:

Originally posted by JustinMT:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by Knowledge:

Originally posted by ads_2006:
harden has no leverage lol

The NBA superstars have all the leverage

This

While this is true, it takes 2 to tango. The rockets want star power back. He wants to go to the teams that don't want to trade their stars for him. He's at the mercy of the teams agreeing.

The heat should definitely include Hiro if that's what gets it done. I'm no harden fan, but hiro will never be anywhere close to what harden is. I'd do that in a heartbeat.

But what's the goal? To win regular season games or win championships? Unless he drastically changes his style of play, Harden will never win a ring. If I was Miami, I'd hold off and focus on Giannis.

Yeah this just isn't true. That style of play Harden and Houston played was a CP3 hammy away from a ring.

Does he have a ring? No. So it's true.

The goal is to win a ring as easy as possible, nothing more. Just like other ring buyers, todays nba is to latch onto other talent because doing it the hard and honorable way is too hard. We all know, every single one of us, that Harden can't win a ring with actual team building around him. It's failed for years even as Houston has done everything in its power to compliment him. Now he's chasing just like Durant, *****, and many others.

JIKS - stoked you're back. What are your thoughts on the Jazz trying to buy a ring last year, and having $3m higher payroll than the Lakers?

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
Yeah this just isn't true. That style of play Harden and Houston played was a CP3 hammy away from a ring.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by Jiks:
The goal is to win a ring as easy as possible, nothing more. Just like other ring buyers, todays nba is to latch onto other talent because doing it the hard and honorable way is too hard. We all know, every single one of us, that Harden can't win a ring with actual team building around him. It's failed for years even as Houston has done everything in its power to compliment him. Now he's chasing just like Durant, *****, and many others.

Have to disagree with this. I think staying in one place under one system, under one boss, where you are super comfortable and don't have to adjust or take on a new challenge is an easy way out. I think moving to a different team, city, culture, and heightened expectations where you've to sacrifice your game and your status with the management and other players is anything but easy.

It takes courage to put yourself out there - instead of playing same couple PnR and PnP sets for 18 years with a HOF teammate without expectations from most of the NBA fanbases and media of not just winning 1 championship but multiple chips.

Real shocker you would have this opinion. lol

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by Jiks:
The goal is to win a ring as easy as possible, nothing more. Just like other ring buyers, todays nba is to latch onto other talent because doing it the hard and honorable way is too hard. We all know, every single one of us, that Harden can't win a ring with actual team building around him. It's failed for years even as Houston has done everything in its power to compliment him. Now he's chasing just like Durant, *****, and many others.

Have to disagree with this. I think staying in one place under one system, under one boss, where you are super comfortable and don't have to adjust or take on a new challenge is an easy way out. I think moving to a different team, city, culture, and heightened expectations where you've to sacrifice your game and your status with the management and other players is anything but easy.

It takes courage to put yourself out there - instead of playing same couple PnR and PnP sets for 18 years with a HOF teammate without expectations from most of the NBA fanbases and media of not just winning 1 championship but multiple chips.

Real shocker you would have this opinion. lol

Yup. I've moved around a lot in my life. Lived all over the World. Never worked more than 2 years for a company in my life and that's how I've learned and acquired more skills and moved up in ranks. I am sure staying in one place and being comfortable and grinding hard to slowly move up has its challenges - but I prefer my way.

I think it's stupid to stay with a company that's not going anywhere. You either tell them to get their act straight (if you're in that position) and if they won't - you find a place that will put you in a position to reach your goals.

Basketball careers are even shorter. You take charge of your career and don't depend on owners who have no clue what they're doing.

Almost every All-time great has either told their FO to get their s**t together or left for a better management if they weren't in a position to win early in their career.

Originally posted by DynastyChile:

JIKS - stoked you're back. What are your thoughts on the Jazz trying to buy a ring last year, and having $3m higher payroll than the Lakers?

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by DynastyChile:
JIKS - stoked you're back. What are your thoughts on the Jazz trying to buy a ring last year, and having $3m higher payroll than the Lakers?

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by DynastyChile:

JIKS - stoked you're back. What are your thoughts on the Jazz trying to buy a ring last year, and having $3m higher payroll than the Lakers?

By buying a ring I don't mean buying it financially, I mean buying it by today's soft NBA cowards making super teams that other teams simply can't. These soft ass players not being able to do win without bringing in top 5 players to carry them. One team for example wasn't even a playoff team the year prior.

I've explained this more than once as you guys have already asked this. I'd be more than happy if one of these softies came to Utah and bought us a ring. As Ive said I don't get why you guys get so bent out of shape about it. That's just not going to ever happen though.

I've been beating a dead horse with this and I let it go but with Harden now doing the exact same thing other so called greats are doing, it's relevant again. Proof is in his amazing team selection. He's simply chasing because he simply not good enough without being surrounded by top 10-15 talent. That actually proves two points as I have also been right about him being overrated over the years.

Originally posted by Jiks:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by DynastyChile:

JIKS - stoked you're back. What are your thoughts on the Jazz trying to buy a ring last year, and having $3m higher payroll than the Lakers?

By buying a ring I don't mean buying it financially, I mean buying it by today's soft NBA cowards making super teams that other teams simply can't. These soft ass players not being able to do win without bringing in top 5 players to carry them. One team for example wasn't even a playoff team the year prior.

I've explained this more than once as you guys have already asked this. I'd be more than happy if one of these softies came to Utah and bought us a ring. As Ive said I don't get why you guys get so bent out of shape about it. That's just not going to ever happen though.

I've been beating a dead horse with this and I let it go but with Harden now doing the exact same thing other so called greats are doing, it's relevant again. Proof is in his amazing team selection. He's simply chasing because he simply not good enough without being surrounded by top 10-15 talent. That actually proves two points as I have also been right about him being overrated over the years.

Ya no for sure, but you still haven't answered my question?

Adding Mike Conley equals trying to buy a ring/ super team

The fact that they got to pay 34 mil for him pretty much says it all.

Originally posted by Jiks:

The goal is to win a ring as easy as possible, nothing more. Just like other ring buyers, todays nba is to latch onto other talent because doing it the hard and honorable way is too hard. We all know, every single one of us, that Harden can't win a ring with actual team building around him. It's failed for years even as Houston has done everything in its power to compliment him. Now he's chasing just like Durant, *****, and many others.

Good post. Not sure how anyone can argue this besides Laker fan. Laker fan was pissed when Bron went to Miami and switched up hella quick when he came to LA

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Adding Mike Conley equals trying to buy a ring/ super team

The fact that they got to pay 34 mil for him pretty much says it all.

Uhhh you do understand how small market teams have to actually trade and amazingly overpay for 33 year old guys right? You actually prove my point lololol. Thanks!

I'm not even a huge fan of Conley and hate his contract. Sadly with guys like you know who they HAVE to steal all the talent to carry them and buy them rings. Utah doesn't have that luxury, wish they did but the moochers would never come to Utah or another small market team because they know they are worthless without another top 5 player like some. Again these so called greats can't make the playoffs or get out of the second round without it.

Kawhi was available by trade - Toronto got him.
AD was available by trade - Lakers traded every young asset they had and got him.
PG was available by trade - OKC (and Clippers) went out and got PG.

Your team decided to go out and get an aging injury prone PG who was at the back end of his contract and Grizzlies pulled a fast one on your guys. That's bad management. You didn't had to do it. You willingly and stupidly did it. Probably why high profile FAs don't want to come play for your team. When Lakers had bad management - they had to give 16-20M a year to Deng and Mozgov.

It's called having a smart bold FO who is willing to trade it all for one title. Utah and other FOs and ownership are too p***y to make any drastic changes.

Harden is available right now. Go get him. Beal will be available soon - go get him. Make some noise.

CP3 was available via trade this off-season - coming off a MVP type season. Strong move by the Suns.

Westbrook and Wall were available this off-season. Bold moves by Houston and Washington. Let's see if that pays off. Wall looked pretty good yesterday.