2024 San Francisco Giants Season Thread

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Ohtani camp presented Giants the exact deal that Ohtani ended up finalizing with LA. "We were agreeable to it," Zaidi said. Then Giants were told it was in Ohtani's hands. Obviously, Shohei picked Dodgers.

— Andrew Baggarly (@extrabaggs) December 13, 2023

Well, duh. All things equal, of course he picks the Dodgers.

Our fault for making things equal.

So what, a cool billion over 10? At what point does this go from smart to stupid? Dodgers may have already crossed the line. Time will tell.

I have said this many times before. At a certain number, does it really matter if you go higher? If we offered him $70M a season, is $75-80M a season any different?

stand at the used car lot and have the salesman use your logic on you, tell me how it holds up

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
Now go get Chapman and Yamamoto

Whats the upside for Chapman? At best .250 and 20 homers. (and those numbers are unlikely) Why pay a ton of money for a guy who just hit .240 and .229 for Toronto. HARD PASS given the amount he will likely get although I wouldnt be surprised at all if the Giants do sign him.

The Giants need to go after guys with bigger upside. Lee was a nice start (even if the $ are much higher than projected).

he plays the right way, a pros pro, and platinum glover,
our hope is to be elite in the field and land some pitching along with our homegrown pitching
minimize runs and scratch enough across ourselves

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Ohtani camp presented Giants the exact deal that Ohtani ended up finalizing with LA. "We were agreeable to it," Zaidi said. Then Giants were told it was in Ohtani's hands. Obviously, Shohei picked Dodgers.

— Andrew Baggarly (@extrabaggs) December 13, 2023

Well, duh. All things equal, of course he picks the Dodgers.

Our fault for making things equal.

So what, a cool billion over 10? At what point does this go from smart to stupid? Dodgers may have already crossed the line. Time will tell.

I have said this many times before. At a certain number, does it really matter if you go higher? If we offered him $70M a season, is $75-80M a season any different?

stand at the used car lot and have the salesman use your logic on you, tell me how it holds up

Ridiculous analogy.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Ohtani camp presented Giants the exact deal that Ohtani ended up finalizing with LA. "We were agreeable to it," Zaidi said. Then Giants were told it was in Ohtani's hands. Obviously, Shohei picked Dodgers.

— Andrew Baggarly (@extrabaggs) December 13, 2023

Well, duh. All things equal, of course he picks the Dodgers.

Our fault for making things equal.

The only thing we had control over was the money. The other things Ohtani wanted, we couldn't give him. He was never going to pick us. Theres no reason to lament this.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
Now go get Chapman and Yamamoto

Whats the upside for Chapman? At best .250 and 20 homers. (and those numbers are unlikely) Why pay a ton of money for a guy who just hit .240 and .229 for Toronto. HARD PASS given the amount he will likely get although I wouldnt be surprised at all if the Giants do sign him.

The Giants need to go after guys with bigger upside. Lee was a nice start (even if the $ are much higher than projected).

he plays the right way, a pros pro, and platinum glover,
our hope is to be elite in the field and land some pitching along with our homegrown pitching
minimize runs and scratch enough across ourselves

You dont pay 150M for a gold glover at a corner who hits .229. I dont give a damn how good his defense is.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Ohtani camp presented Giants the exact deal that Ohtani ended up finalizing with LA. "We were agreeable to it," Zaidi said. Then Giants were told it was in Ohtani's hands. Obviously, Shohei picked Dodgers.

— Andrew Baggarly (@extrabaggs) December 13, 2023

Well, duh. All things equal, of course he picks the Dodgers.

Our fault for making things equal.

So what, a cool billion over 10? At what point does this go from smart to stupid? Dodgers may have already crossed the line. Time will tell.

I have said this many times before. At a certain number, does it really matter if you go higher? If we offered him $70M a season, is $75-80M a season any different?

stand at the used car lot and have the salesman use your logic on you, tell me how it holds up

Ridiculous analogy.

well it's not a rhetorical question, what is Ohtani worth? where do you draw the line? Do you think if we offer $702 that sways him. Fat chance. More like $750m or $800m, and keep going from there. There's a very sizable chance the Dodgers overpaid. Depends on a future not yet written. He's not pitching next year and his hitting may fall off a cliff half way into the deal, look at Pujols getting DFA'd or Miguel Cabrera, these are all time great hitters on the paid til 40 or so deals, it usually doesnt end well, ton of money for no production at the end

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by Garce:

If you're not familiar with new Giants outfielder Jung Hoo Lee, this is really all you need to see 🔥😮‍💨pic.twitter.com/PO969auYsK

— Allen Stiles (@The_StilesFiles) December 13, 2023

L…O…L!

Straight🔥

If he does this in LA, there will be a fight.

💯

🌬️MOTHER f**kING
GRANDSON
OF THE MOTHER f**kING
WIND 💨🍃

I'm glad to at least see they were in. Like the article stated they think it would have helped if they could have shown him the city, real estate, China town etc but they locked the meeting to two hours in park only so he wouldn't be seen. Spare me. He makes $50m a year just endorsements wow.

He sounds too high maintenance.

Originally posted by Garce:

If you're not familiar with new Giants outfielder Jung Hoo Lee, this is really all you need to see 🔥😮‍💨pic.twitter.com/PO969auYsK

— Allen Stiles (@The_StilesFiles) December 13, 2023

this goes hard lol

Originally posted by mitpdub:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Garce:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Garce:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Let's be honest, would you rather have this deal or the Shohei deal, which is 10 year 700m (forget the deferred, they have to pay it all out eventually)

do i have the homer goggles on here, or do we say our deal is better?
Shohei isn't gonna pitch next season, and that's comical money for all of a players 30s, what happens if he hits the wall at 34

I would rather have Shohei but what are you going to do? That ship has sailed.

at that ridiculous price? maybe revisit in 4-5 years, when Shohei is running into a wall known as father time, and our guy is still on contract and not yet 30 or barely..

At the price for Shohei, he basically has to be the two way stud for most all a decade, if he's pitching or hitting only as skills erode, it's a gigantic overpay, next year he's not pitching already, just a fat contract DH

I was willing to do it without deferment. The deferment makes the deal a no brainer. The giants would make 10x that amount off of Shohei over 20 years during the span of the contract.

this was looked into, Shohei nets somewhere in the teens to $20m annual, and that's MVP level Shohei,
do the math on how that adds up to 10x the contract amount, you are talking $7b

Where's our Finance guys at? We're talking a present value (PV) compared to future value (FV) comparison. If we do the calc at PV we can see how much it really is even with the small annual payments set at PV.

Saw some calcs out there and it's between $280 to 400M in present value money. Not as bad as actually thinking of $700 M.

Originally posted by mitpdub:

Originally posted by mitpdub:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Garce:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Garce:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Let's be honest, would you rather have this deal or the Shohei deal, which is 10 year 700m (forget the deferred, they have to pay it all out eventually)

do i have the homer goggles on here, or do we say our deal is better?
Shohei isn't gonna pitch next season, and that's comical money for all of a players 30s, what happens if he hits the wall at 34

I would rather have Shohei but what are you going to do? That ship has sailed.

at that ridiculous price? maybe revisit in 4-5 years, when Shohei is running into a wall known as father time, and our guy is still on contract and not yet 30 or barely..

At the price for Shohei, he basically has to be the two way stud for most all a decade, if he's pitching or hitting only as skills erode, it's a gigantic overpay, next year he's not pitching already, just a fat contract DH

I was willing to do it without deferment. The deferment makes the deal a no brainer. The giants would make 10x that amount off of Shohei over 20 years during the span of the contract.

this was looked into, Shohei nets somewhere in the teens to $20m annual, and that's MVP level Shohei,
do the math on how that adds up to 10x the contract amount, you are talking $7b

Where's our Finance guys at? We're talking a present value (PV) compared to future value (FV) comparison. If we do the calc at PV we can see how much it really is even with the small annual payments set at PV.

Saw some calcs out there and it's between $280 to 400M in present value money. Not as bad as actually thinking of $700 M.

I heard that by deferring his salary for so long that Ohtani will avoid paying taxes. Either that or it's a lower rate. I'm not sure but apparently there's some loophole in the tax structure.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by mitpdub:

Originally posted by mitpdub:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Garce:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Garce:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Let's be honest, would you rather have this deal or the Shohei deal, which is 10 year 700m (forget the deferred, they have to pay it all out eventually)

do i have the homer goggles on here, or do we say our deal is better?
Shohei isn't gonna pitch next season, and that's comical money for all of a players 30s, what happens if he hits the wall at 34

I would rather have Shohei but what are you going to do? That ship has sailed.

at that ridiculous price? maybe revisit in 4-5 years, when Shohei is running into a wall known as father time, and our guy is still on contract and not yet 30 or barely..

At the price for Shohei, he basically has to be the two way stud for most all a decade, if he's pitching or hitting only as skills erode, it's a gigantic overpay, next year he's not pitching already, just a fat contract DH

I was willing to do it without deferment. The deferment makes the deal a no brainer. The giants would make 10x that amount off of Shohei over 20 years during the span of the contract.

this was looked into, Shohei nets somewhere in the teens to $20m annual, and that's MVP level Shohei,
do the math on how that adds up to 10x the contract amount, you are talking $7b

Where's our Finance guys at? We're talking a present value (PV) compared to future value (FV) comparison. If we do the calc at PV we can see how much it really is even with the small annual payments set at PV.

Saw some calcs out there and it's between $280 to 400M in present value money. Not as bad as actually thinking of $700 M.

I heard that by deferring his salary for so long that Ohtani will avoid paying taxes. Either that or it's a lower rate. I'm not sure but apparently there's some loophole in the tax structure.

Makes sense. You're taxed based on where you live at the time of receiving your paycheck I recall. So if he's living in Japan or the Bahamas or Nevada it's much better than California

I mean this in the nicest way possible but all of you still discussing Ohtani and not commenting on the Lee signing I wish I could punch you in your stupid nose

Originally posted by mitpdub:

Originally posted by mitpdub:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Garce:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Garce:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Let's be honest, would you rather have this deal or the Shohei deal, which is 10 year 700m (forget the deferred, they have to pay it all out eventually)

do i have the homer goggles on here, or do we say our deal is better?
Shohei isn't gonna pitch next season, and that's comical money for all of a players 30s, what happens if he hits the wall at 34

I would rather have Shohei but what are you going to do? That ship has sailed.

at that ridiculous price? maybe revisit in 4-5 years, when Shohei is running into a wall known as father time, and our guy is still on contract and not yet 30 or barely..

At the price for Shohei, he basically has to be the two way stud for most all a decade, if he's pitching or hitting only as skills erode, it's a gigantic overpay, next year he's not pitching already, just a fat contract DH

I was willing to do it without deferment. The deferment makes the deal a no brainer. The giants would make 10x that amount off of Shohei over 20 years during the span of the contract.

this was looked into, Shohei nets somewhere in the teens to $20m annual, and that's MVP level Shohei,
do the math on how that adds up to 10x the contract amount, you are talking $7b

Where's our Finance guys at? We're talking a present value (PV) compared to future value (FV) comparison. If we do the calc at PV we can see how much it really is even with the small annual payments set at PV.

Saw some calcs out there and it's between $280 to 400M in present value money. Not as bad as actually thinking of $700 M.

A lot of the calculations I see get it wrong, cuz they assume $2m annual payouts, that's not what is happening, they have to put $44m each year into escrow, and $2m salary. Big dif between paying out $2m annual vs $46m.