2024 San Francisco Giants Season Thread

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Well, if the rumored Yankee offer is Luis Gil and Ben Rice as a starting point, we are going to have to be really aggressive in our offer. I assume Kyle Harrison HAS to be included, and I wouldnt mind that at all.

The thing is, the Giants are arguably among the worst farm systems in baseball currently (BR has us last), and the Yankees are also among the worst. But for the Yankees to include the 2024 ROY, we are going to have to part with some of our top of the farm rankings players. I dont know that we have what it would take to get him, but I would empty the farm for him. Its not like we could get much worse than our already one of the worst rankings in baseball.

not a good move imo. trade you empty out your farm to do what? if you want to make a splash, sign a FA. you don't need to give up prospects to do that.

Our farm system is absolutely terrible. As long as Eldridge isnt included, I wouldnt mind trading anyone for elite players.

i don't get it. it's free agency. you want elite players go sign them. you have to pay elite players elite bucks, and if you trade someone in you pay in dollars and in talent. you pay twice. and you bring in a guy and what you are better than LAD on paper? i don't think so. so if LAD is having their moment, we would be wise to build it up for the future. we don't tear down, but we don't empty the farm either. we should be growing the farm.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Well, if the rumored Yankee offer is Luis Gil and Ben Rice as a starting point, we are going to have to be really aggressive in our offer. I assume Kyle Harrison HAS to be included, and I wouldnt mind that at all.

The thing is, the Giants are arguably among the worst farm systems in baseball currently (BR has us last), and the Yankees are also among the worst. But for the Yankees to include the 2024 ROY, we are going to have to part with some of our top of the farm rankings players. I dont know that we have what it would take to get him, but I would empty the farm for him. Its not like we could get much worse than our already one of the worst rankings in baseball.

not a good move imo. trade you empty out your farm to do what? if you want to make a splash, sign a FA. you don't need to give up prospects to do that.

Our farm system is absolutely terrible. As long as Eldridge isnt included, I wouldnt mind trading anyone for elite players.

i don't get it. it's free agency. you want elite players go sign them. you have to pay elite players elite bucks, and if you trade someone in you pay in dollars and in talent. you pay twice. and you bring in a guy and what you are better than LAD on paper? i don't think so. so if LAD is having their moment, we would be wise to build it up for the future. we don't tear down, but we don't empty the farm either. we should be growing the farm.

Our team has demonstrated year after year that we have no interest in building up the farm. Thats why you have seen us sign the players we have and refuse to trade anyone of value at trade deadlines.

I have been advocating for a complete tear down and rebuild for like 6 or 7 years now. We refuse to do it. So if we are going to keep trying to compete at the Major League level and ignore our farm system, why would you be against trading players that are part of a s**t farm for a young elite player? Makes no sense at all.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Our team has demonstrated year after year that we have no interest in building up the farm. Thats why you have seen us sign the players we have and refuse to trade anyone of value at trade deadlines.

I have been advocating for a complete tear down and rebuild for like 6 or 7 years now. We refuse to do it. So if we are going to keep trying to compete at the Major League level and ignore our farm system, why would you be against trading players that are part of a s**t farm for a young elite player? Makes no sense at all.

i kinda liked that also tbh. we do refuse to do it. i heard leadership say in SF we don't ever tear down. something to that effect. at the same time, if we try to sign stars and play the dodgers game they will simply beat us at that. they have more cash. we seem to be in a pickle.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Rubberneck36:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Chapman is a great player and a lot of that is in the field and on the bases.

A career .241 hitter averaging 80 RBIs a season is not a great player. He's a good player. I think you need to go look at players in the HOF and compare stats.

I agree except you can't compare hitters today with the greats of the past. Like I said in my other post, the pitching is different with the constant changes that prevents hitters form seeing a pitcher for the 3rd or 4th time when hs arm is tired. I grew up in an era when if you couldn'y hit over .235 or .240 you weren't starting and probably not in the majors. It's why I don't like to compare players from differnet eras. Sports evolve and rules change. Ballpark dimensons are generally smaller

I don't love the game the way it's played today but it is what it is for now.

Matt Chapman hit .247 last year (which was his highest since 2018). That was good enough to rank 89th in baseball.

Matt Chapman had 78 RBIs last year (which was his most since 2019). That was good enough to rank 46th in baseball.

Matt Chapman had an OPS of .790 last year (hich was his highest since 2020). That was good enough to rank 36th in baseball.

Nothing about what he does offensively is "great" compared to his literal peers. This has absolutely nothing to do with comparing players of different eras. Compared to his own, he is not great. He is good.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i don't get it. it's free agency. you want elite players go sign them. you have to pay elite players elite bucks, and if you trade someone in you pay in dollars and in talent. you pay twice. and you bring in a guy and what you are better than LAD on paper? i don't think so. so if LAD is having their moment, we would be wise to build it up for the future. we don't tear down, but we don't empty the farm either. we should be growing the farm.

Keeping prospects in your farm system that aren't going to be good players or starters also doesn't help. Right now, there are very few guys outside Eldridge that look like legit players.

Imagine getting a really good player for some of the players we have seen the last few years that didn't live up to their hype.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Matt Chapman hit .247 last year (which was his highest since 2018). That was good enough to rank 89th in baseball.

Matt Chapman had 78 RBIs last year (which was his most since 2019). That was good enough to rank 46th in baseball.

Matt Chapman had an OPS of .790 last year (hich was his highest since 2020). That was good enough to rank 36th in baseball.

Nothing about what he does offensively is "great" compared to his literal peers. This has absolutely nothing to do with comparing players of different eras. Compared to his own, he is not great. He is good.

Exactly.

Originally posted by Rubberneck36:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
i don't get it. it's free agency. you want elite players go sign them. you have to pay elite players elite bucks, and if you trade someone in you pay in dollars and in talent. you pay twice. and you bring in a guy and what you are better than LAD on paper? i don't think so. so if LAD is having their moment, we would be wise to build it up for the future. we don't tear down, but we don't empty the farm either. we should be growing the farm.

Keeping prospects in your farm system that aren't going to be good players or starters also doesn't help. Right now, there are very few guys outside Eldridge that look like legit players.

Imagine getting a really good player for some of the players we have seen the last few years that didn't live up to their hype.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Matt Chapman hit .247 last year (which was his highest since 2018). That was good enough to rank 89th in baseball.

Matt Chapman had 78 RBIs last year (which was his most since 2019). That was good enough to rank 46th in baseball.

Matt Chapman had an OPS of .790 last year (hich was his highest since 2020). That was good enough to rank 36th in baseball.

Nothing about what he does offensively is "great" compared to his literal peers. This has absolutely nothing to do with comparing players of different eras. Compared to his own, he is not great. He is good.

Exactly.

He's not a great offensive player but he's a great defensive player. That helps a lot. Those offensive numbers are out of a total of about 450 players. Actually more since player s go on IR and others take their place. He's in the top 10 among 3rd basemen in most offensive categories so I would say he's at least good.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
He's not a great offensive player but he's a great defensive player. That helps a lot. Those offensive numbers are out of a total of about 450 players. Actually more since player s go on IR and others take their place. He's in the top 10 among 3rd basemen in most offensive categories so I would say he's at least good.

Again, nobody is arguing he isn't good. And he is a great defensive player. All that is being said is overall he's a good player, not great.

And being 10 of 32 at your position coupled with Steve's post is all the proof you need he isn't "great".

Originally posted by Rubberneck36:
Again, nobody is arguing he isn't good. And he is a great defensive player. All that is being said is overall he's a good player, not great.

And being 10 of 32 at your position coupled with Steve's post is all the proof you need he isn't "great".

we come a long way since we should go with JD Davis

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Rubberneck36:
Again, nobody is arguing he isn't good. And he is a great defensive player. All that is being said is overall he's a good player, not great.

And being 10 of 32 at your position coupled with Steve's post is all the proof you need he isn't "great".

we come a long way since we should go with JD Davis

And farther since Slater was about to hit .280.

we sign Burnes for 8 yrs / $250M yet?

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Rubberneck36:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Kyle Tucker supposedly on the block.

Do it Buster!!!!

are one of the teams "involved in talks" with the Houston Astros for outfielder Kyle Tucker, the New York Post's Joel Sherman reported Wednesday

Dont tease me!

Yankees, Cubs, Phillies and Giants involved in talks. Ask yourself who lands him? lol

Well, if the rumored Yankee offer is Luis Gil and Ben Rice as a starting point, we are going to have to be really aggressive in our offer. I assume Kyle Harrison HAS to be included, and I wouldnt mind that at all.

The thing is, the Giants are arguably among the worst farm systems in baseball currently (BR has us last), and the Yankees are also among the worst. But for the Yankees to include the 2024 ROY, we are going to have to part with some of our top of the farm rankings players. I dont know that we have what it would take to get him, but I would empty the farm for him. Its not like we could get much worse than our already one of the worst rankings in baseball.

I've heard Yankees don't want to include Gil

Giants seem to be all in for burns

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
Giants seem to be all in for burns

Sign Burnes miraculously find a way for Kyle Tucker and Buster has done more than that dumb ass Farhan has done in what the 7 years he was here

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
Giants seem to be all in for burns

Sign Burnes miraculously find a way for Kyle Tucker and Buster has done more than that dumb ass Farhan has done in what the 7 years he was here

I still remember being so excited about Farhan and thinking that the 2021 season was a sign of things to come. Boy was I wrong

Second meeting with burns, hope that means we close