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2024 San Francisco Giants Season Thread

Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by DeepNinerValue:
Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Want to see this thread active with a Burnes signing! Hoping it works out. Either way, though, it has to make sense for the Giants (putting faith in Buster).

$245m

GET f**kED

He's getting something like that, so if we want to replace Snell we have to pay up.

His best years are behind him, he's 30 years old and his K/9 has declined ever year the past four years. $240m over who knows how long would be a mistake. I hope Buster is smarter than that. Snell is a much better pitcher than Burnes.
[ Edited by DeepNinerValue on Dec 26, 2024 at 11:26 AM ]
Originally posted by DeepNinerValue:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by DeepNinerValue:
Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Want to see this thread active with a Burnes signing! Hoping it works out. Either way, though, it has to make sense for the Giants (putting faith in Buster).

$245m

GET f**kED

He's getting something like that, so if we want to replace Snell we have to pay up.

His best years are behind him, he's 30 years old and his K/9 has declined ever year the past four years. $240m over who knows how long would be a mistake. I hope Buster is smarter than that. Snell is a much better pitcher than Burnes.

i agree i was posting along those lines. lot of red flags on burnes, now naturally he's one of the top guys on the market, but you would want to know why he was 12 or 13 k/9 and now 8. Snell is a bit of a whiner and he bombed out of the gate not remotely ready for ball and he has a hard time getting thru 5 innings. so while he can have great stretches let's see the good with the bad. glad he is gone. what about jack flaherty
I'm not investing in Jack Flaherty unless its for a bargain. He's too injury prone and he's been up and down in terms of effectiveness when healthy. Too much risk.
Originally posted by DeepNinerValue:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by DeepNinerValue:
Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Want to see this thread active with a Burnes signing! Hoping it works out. Either way, though, it has to make sense for the Giants (putting faith in Buster).

$245m

GET f**kED

He's getting something like that, so if we want to replace Snell we have to pay up.

His best years are behind him, he's 30 years old and his K/9 has declined ever year the past four years. $240m over who knows how long would be a mistake. I hope Buster is smarter than that. Snell is a much better pitcher than Burnes.

Most players who reach free agency are somewhat flawed. Otherwise they would have been locked up beforehand.

Burnes has been one of the best and most reliable SP in the last 4-5 years. If Posey wants us to be contending in the near future, he's going to have to spend some money to help us get to that point. Giants ownership has the money. Without a cap, sometimes you just have to roll the dice. Especially competing with the Dodgers.
  • tl57
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Originally posted by Niners99:
Most players who reach free agency are somewhat flawed. Otherwise they would have been locked up beforehand.

Burnes has been one of the best and most reliable SP in the last 4-5 years. If Posey wants us to be contending in the near future, he's going to have to spend some money to help us get to that point. Giants ownership has the money. Without a cap, sometimes you just have to roll the dice. Especially competing with the Dodgers.

That is the thing, the Giants ownership does have the money. The Giants will make the smaller profit after spending the same amount as the Dodgers will because of the Dodgers much bigger revenue source. That is the only difference. So, the matter are they willing to spend that much and keep the smaller profit. Relatively speaking they did but the problem with the last 7-8 years is they had entrusted the money to the guy who failed in every sense of building the right team with those money by considering himself to be the "smartest in the room". Thus, except the 2021 miracle that had practically nothing to do with Zaidi's "phenom" the team had greatly failed. With collaboration of poor drafting fit or non-development or both (take your pick) and inability to attract identified high profile targets (unless it was PR show from the beginning). Now the management seen throwing relatively significant amount of money around for the boring team to come in 4th in its own division and decides to cut payroll when the payroll staying at least put is the most needed. If they set the line at 200M, then Burnes takes them way beyond that, right back to where they were. And without him, signing Adames doesn't do a squat by itself. I am arguing besides Burnes they would still need if not perennial All Star but at least a potent power bat at DH or 1B, batting cleanup and hopping he'll put up solid numbers to be legit playoff team. People are arguing they don't need Burnes for that kind of money because of his age and that he had potentially recently declined. Well, give me the candidate who can do at least what he can still do for much less. Again, I think the problem now is not that he has declined. I don't think he had declined to the point that he can't be a solid front-line starter (ace or 2), especially in the pitcher friendly ballpark. The problem is the ownership is too hesitant to go over 200M and that is what will have to be done to get Burnes. I think this ownership group will come up short as they most always do yet again, when they should be bold if the priority was putting in the competitive excitement and winning at any cost.
[ Edited by tl57 on Dec 26, 2024 at 5:52 PM ]
Originally posted by tl57:
That is the thing, the Giants ownership does have the money. The Giants will make the smaller profit after spending the same amount as the Dodgers will because of the Dodgers much bigger revenue source. That is the only difference. So, the matter are they willing to spend that much and keep the smaller profit. Relatively speaking they did but the problem with the last 7-8 years is they had entrusted the money to the guy who failed in every sense of building the right team with those money by considering himself to be the "smartest in the room". Thus, except the 2021 miracle that had practically nothing to do with Zaidi's "phenom" the team had greatly failed. With collaboration of poor drafting fit or non-development or both (take your pick) and inability to attract identified high profile targets (unless it was PR show from the beginning). Now the management seen throwing relatively significant amount of money around for the boring team to come in 4th in its own division and decides to cut payroll when the payroll staying at least put is the most needed. If they set the line at 200M, then Burnes takes them way beyond that, right back to where they were. And without him, signing Adames doesn't do a squat by itself. I am arguing besides Burnes they would still need if not perennial All Star but at least a potent power bat at DH or 1B, batting cleanup and hopping he'll put up solid numbers to be legit playoff team. People are arguing they don't need Burnes for that kind of money because of his age and that he had potentially recently declined. Well, give me the candidate who can do at least what he can still do for much less. Again, I think the problem now is not that he has declined. I don't think he had declined to the point that he can't be a solid front-line starter (ace or 2), especially in the pitcher friendly ballpark. The problem is the ownership is too hesitant to go over 200M and that is what will have to be done to get Burnes. I think this ownership group will come up short as they most always do yet again, when they should be bold if the priority was putting in the competitive excitement and winning at any cost.

It has been stated that they already agreed to the framework of the Burnes deal, but the hangup was that Boras wanted an opt out, and Buster said no. Boras will probably just drag this thing out through February to get the opt out he wants, figuring the Giants aren't a real threat to sign Sasaki, so Burnes is going to remain their top target all offseason.
Supposedly the Giants lost money last year. I'm not sure if they actually did or if it was just a paper loss. In any case they need to sign a pitcher and another bat. Someone suggested Goldschmidt but he signed with the Yankees.
What the hell is up with Burnes , pulling same s**t snell did last year
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Originally posted by Niners99:
It has been stated that they already agreed to the framework of the Burnes deal, but the hangup was that Boras wanted an opt out, and Buster said no. Boras will probably just drag this thing out through February to get the opt out he wants, figuring the Giants aren't a real threat to sign Sasaki, so Burnes is going to remain their top target all offseason.

Yeh, the Giants are not a real threat to sign Sasaki, but they can pivot to Flaherty for example. At least Flaherty would be better than anything else out there if they pivot from Burnes and he is available. And I don't think the hang up is only in the opt out deal. It may be part of the hang up, but I understand the money (at least $245M if not north of that over 7 years/ 35M per that Burnes wants) are still the hang up as well. The early report indicated that they have the framework for the deal. The report from the reporter is just that, the report. Now I saw the Giants have the offer on the table and they can get tired of waiting for the answer. Again, an unknown offer, who knows what they are offering. They can wait for Burnes until everyone who is worth something is gone and pluck another "Hicks" from the bin. Or declare they are totally good with all the young pitchers they have. Tell the fans they've tried (for Burnes) and hang their hats on Adames.
God f**king dammit man.
My bet is posey didn't want these out clauses
Cueto deal
We have a firm lock on 4th place in the West for the foreseeable future.
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
We have a firm lock on 4th place in the West for the foreseeable future.

Bullet dodged imo
[ Edited by DeepNinerValue on Dec 27, 2024 at 11:01 PM ]
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