2024 San Francisco Giants Season Thread

Has Verlander ever considered moving to the bullpen like Smoltz?

He can give 100% effort and forget 5 innings of stamina

Originally posted by DeepNinerValue:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Ok so the rotation would be:

1. Webb RHP
2. Ray LHP
3. Verlander RHP
4. Harrison LHP
5. Birdsong RHP

If Kate's husband can stay somewhat healthy that's not a bad rotation. Though I wouldn't mind still getting Sasaki though.

I would argue that it IS a bad rotation. But nothing about the Giants makes me optimistic so I am sure I am just being negative.

Lotta IFs if that rotation.

That's true of a lot of teams now that starters aren't expected to go more than 5 innings. Roles are often kind of murky. The Dodgers starting staff is as bad or worse than the Giants. Other than Ohtani and he's coming off surgery. They just have so much firepower that it doesn't matter.

Originally posted by Niners99:
I mean, if Ray and Verlander are washed then yeah its bad. But if Ray gets back to 2021-2022 form, and Verlander even 2023 form it looks pretty good.

Let's not call them washed but apply reasonable logic.
Verlander - Pitched brilliantly in 2022, 1.75 ERA
3.17 ERA in 2023
5.48 ERA in 2024
Reasonable logic- a significantly declining trend which at his age is more of the normalcy than aberration. And he is a year older now and into the age range when not many pitch at all.
Ray - Other than having one outstanding Cy Young season, did not distinguish himself with the year over year longstanding brilliance.
Then has the injury that usually may not get one 100% back to pre-injury. Disregarding last year straggles (shortly injury removed, understandable) what is the reasonable assumption for 2025? Back to greatness or if not really bad but still not where the Giants need him to be and possibly, he never will.
Everything is possible and one or both may hugely positively surprise. I am all for it. But again, do I want to fantasize and be deluded, or do I want to be cold realist and maybe pleasantly surprised.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by DeepNinerValue:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Ok so the rotation would be:

1. Webb RHP
2. Ray LHP
3. Verlander RHP
4. Harrison LHP
5. Birdsong RHP

If Kate's husband can stay somewhat healthy that's not a bad rotation. Though I wouldn't mind still getting Sasaki though.

I would argue that it IS a bad rotation. But nothing about the Giants makes me optimistic so I am sure I am just being negative.

Lotta IFs if that rotation.

That's true of a lot of teams now that starters aren't expected to go more than 5 innings. Roles are often kind of murky. The Dodgers starting staff is as bad or worse than the Giants. Other than Ohtani and he's coming off surgery. They just have so much firepower that it doesn't matter.

LOL This is pure comedy at its best
1) Ohtani
2) Snell
3) Yamamoto
4) Glasnow
5) Gonsolin
6) May

Who besides Catch is delusional enough to think the Giants rotation is good as the Dodgers

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Ok so the rotation would be:

1. Webb RHP
2. Ray LHP
3. Verlander RHP
4. Harrison LHP
5. Birdsong RHP

If Kate's husband can stay somewhat healthy that's not a bad rotation. Though I wouldn't mind still getting Sasaki though.

Sasaki would make it a decent rotation but as it stands now I would call it below average. Two older guys likely on the decline and 2 young guys who have been inconsistent thus far. If everything falls just right and Verlander and Ray get close to what they were a couple of years ago then it could be good. But that seems so unlikely to me

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
LOL This is pure comedy at its best
1) Ohtani
2) Snell
3) Yamamoto
4) Glasnow
5) Gonsolin
6) May

Who besides Catch is delusional enough to think the Giants rotation is good as the Dodgers

hope you are safe from the fires

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
LOL This is pure comedy at its best
1) Ohtani
2) Snell
3) Yamamoto
4) Glasnow
5) Gonsolin
6) May

Who besides Catch is delusional enough to think the Giants rotation is good as the Dodgers

Every one of those guys would be our #1 or #2 starter.

Originally posted by DeepNinerValue:
hope you are safe from the fires

Thanks Garce. I appreciate that. We are doing ok as the fires havent hit Ventura County this time around. We are pretty far from both the Palisades and the Altadena fires. I have friends who have been forced to evacuate and feel sick for all the people who have lost their homes.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by DeepNinerValue:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Ok so the rotation would be:

1. Webb RHP
2. Ray LHP
3. Verlander RHP
4. Harrison LHP
5. Birdsong RHP

If Kate's husband can stay somewhat healthy that's not a bad rotation. Though I wouldn't mind still getting Sasaki though.

I would argue that it IS a bad rotation. But nothing about the Giants makes me optimistic so I am sure I am just being negative.

Lotta IFs if that rotation.

That's true of a lot of teams now that starters aren't expected to go more than 5 innings. Roles are often kind of murky. The Dodgers starting staff is as bad or worse than the Giants. Other than Ohtani and he's coming off surgery. They just have so much firepower that it doesn't matter.

LOL This is pure comedy at its best
1) Ohtani
2) Snell
3) Yamamoto
4) Glasnow
5) Gonsolin
6) May

Who besides Catch is delusional enough to think the Giants rotation is good as the Dodgers

I was looking at last year when most of those guys were hurt. This year they look better on paer but it remans to be seen if Snell and Ohtani can stay healthy. I stand by my statement that the starting rotation doesn't matter as much when they only ask them to go 5 innings. How many games did you watch that were so called reliver games where each guy pitched one or two innings. The Giants relievers weren't good last year and they coughed up a lot of leads in the 8th or 9th inning. Pitchers are so up and down and injury prone that it's hard to predict how good they will be from one year to the next.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I was looking at last year when most of those guys were hurt. This year they look better on paer but it remans to be seen if Snell and Ohtani can stay healthy. I stand by my statement that the starting rotation doesn't matter as much when they only ask them to go 5 innings. How many games did you watch that were so called reliver games where each guy pitched one or two innings. The Giants relievers weren't good last year and they coughed up a lot of leads in the 8th or 9th inning. Pitchers are so up and down and injury prone that it's hard to predict how good they will be from one year to the next.

Cmon Catch. Just admit you were talking out of your a**.

Even if you were looking at last year only including the time where "most of those guys were hurt," their playoff rotation was:

Yamamoto
Flaherty
Beuhler
Knack

While I really dont want to sign Flaherty (mostly because of what he is projected to make), I would take every single one of those guys over 4 of our projected 5 starters.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I was looking at last year when most of those guys were hurt. This year they look better on paer but it remans to be seen if Snell and Ohtani can stay healthy. I stand by my statement that the starting rotation doesn't matter as much when they only ask them to go 5 innings. How many games did you watch that were so called reliver games where each guy pitched one or two innings. The Giants relievers weren't good last year and they coughed up a lot of leads in the 8th or 9th inning. Pitchers are so up and down and injury prone that it's hard to predict how good they will be from one year to the next.

Cmon Catch. Just admit you were talking out of your a**.

Even if you were looking at last year only including the time where "most of those guys were hurt," their playoff rotation was:

Yamamoto
Flaherty
Beuhler
Knack

While I really dont want to sign Flaherty (mostly because of what he is projected to make), I would take every single one of those guys over 4 of our projected 5 starters.

Looking at the numbers from last year the Giants were better in some areas and the Dodgers were a little better in others. Neither had a great year for starting pitching. Flaherty was their best. The Giants had 3 guys that were supposed to be relible starters on the shelf for half the season.

MLB is all about the relievers niw. They need to make a change so we don;t see this constant parade of relief pitchers. It's one of the things that hurts baseball since batters often don't see the same pitcher twice let alne 3 or 4 times.Cutting the number of relievers that can be active on game day has been suggested. I don't know what the answer is but baseball has gotten very boring over the last few years.

Oh goodie! Now we certainly will have a shot at 3rd place this year instead of 4th!

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I was looking at last year when most of those guys were hurt. This year they look better on paer but it remans to be seen if Snell and Ohtani can stay healthy. I stand by my statement that the starting rotation doesn't matter as much when they only ask them to go 5 innings. How many games did you watch that were so called reliver games where each guy pitched one or two innings. The Giants relievers weren't good last year and they coughed up a lot of leads in the 8th or 9th inning. Pitchers are so up and down and injury prone that it's hard to predict how good they will be from one year to the next.

Cmon Catch. Just admit you were talking out of your a**.

Even if you were looking at last year only including the time where "most of those guys were hurt," their playoff rotation was:

Yamamoto
Flaherty
Beuhler
Knack

While I really dont want to sign Flaherty (mostly because of what he is projected to make), I would take every single one of those guys over 4 of our projected 5 starters.

Looking at the numbers from last year the Giants were better in some areas and the Dodgers were a little better in others. Neither had a great year for starting pitching. Flaherty was their best. The Giants had 3 guys that were supposed to be relible starters on the shelf for half the season.

MLB is all about the relievers niw. They need to make a change so we don;t see this constant parade of relief pitchers. It's one of the things that hurts baseball since batters often don't see the same pitcher twice let alne 3 or 4 times.Cutting the number of relievers that can be active on game day has been suggested. I don't know what the answer is but baseball has gotten very boring over the last few years.

You cant use injuries as an excuse for the Giants and then disregard the Dodgers arms that were also on the shelf. Bottom line, in no way shape or form is the Giants staff even close to what the Dodgers have for the 2025 season. Like I said before, the Dodgers have at least 6 starters who at worst would be our #2 pitcher.

Originally posted by Eli_23:
Oh goodie! Now we certainly will have a shot at 3rd place this year instead of 4th!

you can all be negative nellies, i'll focus on melvin and posey some good leadership building out a roster here. goal is just get into the tournament, then survive and advance. eff the dodgers and you won't see me in here counting their rings and their all stars. their championships mean nothing to me. rings bought and paid for, that's all that is.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Eli_23:
Oh goodie! Now we certainly will have a shot at 3rd place this year instead of 4th!

you can all be negative nellies, i'll focus on melvin and posey some good leadership building out a roster here. goal is just get into the tournament, then survive and advance. eff the dodgers and you won't see me in here counting their rings and their all stars. their championships mean nothing to me. rings bought and paid for, that's all that is.

Baseball is all about money and will always be as long as there is no salary cap and teams like the Dodgers, Yankees, and Mets can spend what they want for players. Rings are rings and while it sucks that teams can spend like crazy its reality. The Giants need to add a lot more quality players through FA and trades and draft much better if they expect to be real contenders again. Right now they are clearly the 4th best team in their own division so its kind of hard to see them being realistic wild card contenders.