2024 San Francisco Giants Season Thread

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
I don't blame Doval at all for this, despite what Garce thinks.

Giants hitters were pathetic when it mattered and that is what ultimately lost us the series.

Yea - Blaming Doval is stupid. Dude was sensational for over a month and one of the reasons why we kept Dodgers from winning the division.
As far as giving that run in the 9th - one can blame Posey just as much if not more for calling another slider.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
I don't blame Doval at all for this, despite what Garce thinks.

Giants hitters were pathetic when it mattered and that is what ultimately lost us the series.

Yea - Blaming Doval is stupid. Dude was sensational for over a month and one of the reasons why we kept Dodgers from winning the division.
As far as giving that run in the 9th - one can blame Posey just as much if not more for calling another slider.

He had just drilled Turner with a fastball. It's possible he didn't have a good feel for it and wasn't comfortable with it in that moment. He was controlling the slider, so they probably opted to keep throwing those and he just missed his location. Hard to blame Posey if you don't know the specifics.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by Niners99:
lol @ Chris Taylor. Dodgers lose!

I missed the game, what happened with Taylor?

Top of the 9th he was running from first to second on a Bellinger single, and he ran through second to try for third, but stopped like 1/3 the way and tried to go back to second and got caught in a rundown to end the inning.

HAHA, awesome, hopefully they lose the series and that is remembered.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
I don't blame Doval at all for this, despite what Garce thinks.

Giants hitters were pathetic when it mattered and that is what ultimately lost us the series.

Yea - Blaming Doval is stupid. Dude was sensational for over a month and one of the reasons why we kept Dodgers from winning the division.
As far as giving that run in the 9th - one can blame Posey just as much if not more for calling another slider.

He had just drilled Turner with a fastball. It's possible he didn't have a good feel for it and wasn't comfortable with it in that moment. He was controlling the slider, so they probably opted to keep throwing those and he just missed his location. Hard to blame Posey if you don't know the specifics.

IIRC Turner was hit with a fastball with 0 on base and 0 outs. But, you're right - Doval didn't seem like in full control. That's fair.

But, again - I don't put too much blame on Doval. I'd say Posey or Kapler needed to step in if they felt Doval isn't comfortable OR you trust him fully. If you think he can only throw sliders - it's time for change. Not the spot to take that risk. Just my 2 cents.

Of course - hindsight is 20-20 so very easy to look back and say - should have could have. I personally feel that you trust your closer fully in that moment.

Originally posted by 4ML:
IIRC Turner was hit with a fastball with 0 on base and 0 outs. But, you're right - Doval didn't seem like in full control. That's fair.

But, again - I don't put too much blame on Doval. I'd say Posey or Kapler needed to step in if they felt Doval isn't comfortable OR you trust him fully. If you think he can only throw sliders - it's time for change. Not the spot to take that risk. Just my 2 cents.

Of course - hindsight is 20-20 so very easy to look back and say - should have could have. I personally feel that you trust your closer fully in that moment.

Its nobodys fault really. When you only throw fastballs and sliders, and you don't have your fastball, you're going to try and use that slider exclusively to throw strikes in a big spot. He just missed on one and got burned.

Ideally you throw fastballs up above the zone because it works against Bellinger, but if he didn't trust himself to keep it up, he might have only been comfortable with the slider.

Originally posted by 4ML:
IIRC Turner was hit with a fastball with 0 on base and 0 outs. But, you're right - Doval didn't seem like in full control. That's fair.

But, again - I don't put too much blame on Doval. I'd say Posey or Kapler needed to step in if they felt Doval isn't comfortable OR you trust him fully. If you think he can only throw sliders - it's time for change. Not the spot to take that risk. Just my 2 cents.

Of course - hindsight is 20-20 so very easy to look back and say - should have could have. I personally feel that you trust your closer fully in that moment.

Its not hindsight to expect a better pitch sequence by Posey. Even if you call a fastball as a waste pitch just to give him another look, you do it.

Not why we lost, but an inexcusable mistake by Buster.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 4ML:
IIRC Turner was hit with a fastball with 0 on base and 0 outs. But, you're right - Doval didn't seem like in full control. That's fair.

But, again - I don't put too much blame on Doval. I'd say Posey or Kapler needed to step in if they felt Doval isn't comfortable OR you trust him fully. If you think he can only throw sliders - it's time for change. Not the spot to take that risk. Just my 2 cents.

Of course - hindsight is 20-20 so very easy to look back and say - should have could have. I personally feel that you trust your closer fully in that moment.

Its not hindsight to expect a better pitch sequence by Posey. Even if you call a fastball as a waste pitch just to give him another look, you do it.

Not why we lost, but an inexcusable mistake by Buster.

🙄

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 4ML:
IIRC Turner was hit with a fastball with 0 on base and 0 outs. But, you're right - Doval didn't seem like in full control. That's fair.

But, again - I don't put too much blame on Doval. I'd say Posey or Kapler needed to step in if they felt Doval isn't comfortable OR you trust him fully. If you think he can only throw sliders - it's time for change. Not the spot to take that risk. Just my 2 cents.

Of course - hindsight is 20-20 so very easy to look back and say - should have could have. I personally feel that you trust your closer fully in that moment.

Its not hindsight to expect a better pitch sequence by Posey. Even if you call a fastball as a waste pitch just to give him another look, you do it.

Not why we lost, but an inexcusable mistake by Buster.

🙄

Roll your eyes all you want 99. I'm not wrong here. It was a horrendous sequence.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 4ML:
IIRC Turner was hit with a fastball with 0 on base and 0 outs. But, you're right - Doval didn't seem like in full control. That's fair.

But, again - I don't put too much blame on Doval. I'd say Posey or Kapler needed to step in if they felt Doval isn't comfortable OR you trust him fully. If you think he can only throw sliders - it's time for change. Not the spot to take that risk. Just my 2 cents.

Of course - hindsight is 20-20 so very easy to look back and say - should have could have. I personally feel that you trust your closer fully in that moment.

Its not hindsight to expect a better pitch sequence by Posey. Even if you call a fastball as a waste pitch just to give him another look, you do it.

Not why we lost, but an inexcusable mistake by Buster.

🙄

Roll your eyes all you want 99. I'm not wrong here. It was a horrendous sequence.

I agree and said so at the time. All year long Bellinger struggled with fastballs up in the zone. Its the main reason he hit under .170. To throw him 4 straight sliders and speed up his bat was incredibly dumb. 99 just wants to support Buster but it was really a huge mistake and it ended up costing the Giants.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 4ML:
IIRC Turner was hit with a fastball with 0 on base and 0 outs. But, you're right - Doval didn't seem like in full control. That's fair.

But, again - I don't put too much blame on Doval. I'd say Posey or Kapler needed to step in if they felt Doval isn't comfortable OR you trust him fully. If you think he can only throw sliders - it's time for change. Not the spot to take that risk. Just my 2 cents.

Of course - hindsight is 20-20 so very easy to look back and say - should have could have. I personally feel that you trust your closer fully in that moment.

Its not hindsight to expect a better pitch sequence by Posey. Even if you call a fastball as a waste pitch just to give him another look, you do it.

Not why we lost, but an inexcusable mistake by Buster.

🙄

Roll your eyes all you want 99. I'm not wrong here. It was a horrendous sequence.

I agree and said so at the time. All year long Bellinger struggled with fastballs up in the zone. Its the main reason he hit under .170. To throw him 4 straight sliders and speed up his bat was incredibly dumb. 99 just wants to support Buster but it was really a huge mistake and it ended up costing the Giants.

Said the exact same thing at the time too. Even a fastball to break up the sliders as a waste pitch just to see a different look would have been fine. No idea what Buster was thinking.

Originally posted by Niners99:
Should've gone with fastballs up out of the zone.

Even 99 knew it was terrible pitch selection

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 4ML:
IIRC Turner was hit with a fastball with 0 on base and 0 outs. But, you're right - Doval didn't seem like in full control. That's fair.

But, again - I don't put too much blame on Doval. I'd say Posey or Kapler needed to step in if they felt Doval isn't comfortable OR you trust him fully. If you think he can only throw sliders - it's time for change. Not the spot to take that risk. Just my 2 cents.

Of course - hindsight is 20-20 so very easy to look back and say - should have could have. I personally feel that you trust your closer fully in that moment.

Its not hindsight to expect a better pitch sequence by Posey. Even if you call a fastball as a waste pitch just to give him another look, you do it.

Not why we lost, but an inexcusable mistake by Buster.

🙄

Roll your eyes all you want 99. I'm not wrong here. It was a horrendous sequence.

I agree and said so at the time. All year long Bellinger struggled with fastballs up in the zone. Its the main reason he hit under .170. To throw him 4 straight sliders and speed up his bat was incredibly dumb. 99 just wants to support Buster but it was really a huge mistake and it ended up costing the Giants.

If Doval didn't trust his fastball, a mistake going up there would've meant grooving one belt high that could've been hit a mile. Pitching up in the zone is dangerous if your stuff isn't accurate. He was throwing his slider for strikes and keeping it down. Plus it could induce a double play.

To sit on your couch and call it "horrendous"
and "inexcusable" on Posey's part, without knowing the details is ridiculous. From a game calling, defensive perspective, Posey is the greatest catcher in postseason history. There were reasons he was calling it that way. It didn't work out, but that doesn't mean he was doing a poor job.

Assuming Bryant wants to break the bank and the Giants let him walk a guy I would seriously consider is Chris Taylor. He can play many positions like Bryant and plays them better. Just has been a clutch hitter this year who would fit in well if he decided to leave LA. Not saying he is better than Bryant but I think he would be a much better value signing. Probably will stay with LA though.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by Niners99:
Should've gone with fastballs up out of the zone.

Even 99 knew it was terrible pitch selection

In the moment that was my thoughts as well, but thinking about it later I saw the reasons why he may have called it that way.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Assuming Bryant wants to break the bank and the Giants let him walk a guy I would seriously consider is Chris Taylor. He can play many positions like Bryant and plays them better. Just has been a clutch hitter this year who would fit in well if he decided to leave LA. Not saying he is better than Bryant but I think he would be a much better value signing. Probably will stay with LA though.

I wouldn't be able to stand looking at his hillbilly face on a daily basis.