2024 San Francisco Giants Season Thread

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 4ML:
IIRC Turner was hit with a fastball with 0 on base and 0 outs. But, you're right - Doval didn't seem like in full control. That's fair.

But, again - I don't put too much blame on Doval. I'd say Posey or Kapler needed to step in if they felt Doval isn't comfortable OR you trust him fully. If you think he can only throw sliders - it's time for change. Not the spot to take that risk. Just my 2 cents.

Of course - hindsight is 20-20 so very easy to look back and say - should have could have. I personally feel that you trust your closer fully in that moment.

Its not hindsight to expect a better pitch sequence by Posey. Even if you call a fastball as a waste pitch just to give him another look, you do it.

Not why we lost, but an inexcusable mistake by Buster.

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Roll your eyes all you want 99. I'm not wrong here. It was a horrendous sequence.

I agree and said so at the time. All year long Bellinger struggled with fastballs up in the zone. Its the main reason he hit under .170. To throw him 4 straight sliders and speed up his bat was incredibly dumb. 99 just wants to support Buster but it was really a huge mistake and it ended up costing the Giants.

If Doval didn't trust his fastball, a mistake going up there would've meant grooving one belt high that could've been hit a mile. Pitching up in the zone is dangerous if your stuff isn't accurate. He was throwing his slider for strikes and keeping it down. Plus it could induce a double play.

To sit on your couch and call it "horrendous"
and "inexcusable" on Posey's part, without knowing the details is ridiculous. From a game calling, defensive perspective, Posey is the greatest catcher in postseason history. There were reasons he was calling it that way. It didn't work out, but that doesn't mean he was doing a poor job.

I actually did pitch and I understand about mixing pitches and to take advantage of a hitters weakness. When a guy has struggled all year on high heat and your pitcher throws 100+ mph then its really dumb to not at least throw a high fastball one time on a 1-2 count. What was dumb was throwing 4 straight sliders and speeding up his bat. It is also MUCH easier to make a mistake on a hanging slider than it is a 100 mile per hour fastball. He made a mistake.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Assuming Bryant wants to break the bank and the Giants let him walk a guy I would seriously consider is Chris Taylor. He can play many positions like Bryant and plays them better. Just has been a clutch hitter this year who would fit in well if he decided to leave LA. Not saying he is better than Bryant but I think he would be a much better value signing. Probably will stay with LA though.

I wouldn't be able to stand looking at his hillbilly face on a daily basis.

You would support him and like him if he became a Giant just like everyone else that is on the team.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by Niners99:
Should've gone with fastballs up out of the zone.

Even 99 knew it was terrible pitch selection

In the moment that was my thoughts as well, but thinking about it later I saw the reasons why he may have called it that way.

Just because you miss on one pitch and hit a guy doesnt mean you should stop throwing the pitch. This is especially true when its your best pitch and the reason you are in that position to begin with. He throws 100 f**king miles per hour for christ sake. Losing on your 2nd or 3rd best pitch as a closer is the cardinal sin.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Assuming Bryant wants to break the bank and the Giants let him walk a guy I would seriously consider is Chris Taylor. He can play many positions like Bryant and plays them better. Just has been a clutch hitter this year who would fit in well if he decided to leave LA. Not saying he is better than Bryant but I think he would be a much better value signing. Probably will stay with LA though.

Agreed. Taylor is also good with situational hitting which is what we lack.

Originally posted by Hopper:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Assuming Bryant wants to break the bank and the Giants let him walk a guy I would seriously consider is Chris Taylor. He can play many positions like Bryant and plays them better. Just has been a clutch hitter this year who would fit in well if he decided to leave LA. Not saying he is better than Bryant but I think he would be a much better value signing. Probably will stay with LA though.

Agreed. Taylor is also good with situational hitting which is what we lack.

Can you imagine Taylor in a Giants uni after all the s**t talking he gets his way in this thread?

Originally posted by Hopper:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Assuming Bryant wants to break the bank and the Giants let him walk a guy I would seriously consider is Chris Taylor. He can play many positions like Bryant and plays them better. Just has been a clutch hitter this year who would fit in well if he decided to leave LA. Not saying he is better than Bryant but I think he would be a much better value signing. Probably will stay with LA though.

Agreed. Taylor is also good with situational hitting which is what we lack.

will be interesting to see where he goes...

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Assuming Bryant wants to break the bank and the Giants let him walk a guy I would seriously consider is Chris Taylor. He can play many positions like Bryant and plays them better. Just has been a clutch hitter this year who would fit in well if he decided to leave LA. Not saying he is better than Bryant but I think he would be a much better value signing. Probably will stay with LA though.

He's such a rat face but agree. Dude plays hard and can do everything.

Doval wasn't the reason we lost the series. Our lack of timely hitting was.

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
Doval wasn't the reason we lost the series. Our lack of timely hitting was.

well that is obvious. Hard to win a series when you average 2 runs a game. And thats with the 4 run game bump from game 1. Essentially they scored 1 run a game.

The team lived and died off homers. They couldn't string together timely consecutive hits, couldn't do the little things like move runners over.

Having said that, Doval should have mixed in a fastball or two. He showed Bellinger six straight sliders. Even a .165 hitter like Bellinger can figure that out and hit it hard.

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
Doval wasn't the reason we lost the series. Our lack of timely hitting was.

I dont recall one person saying that Doval was the reason we lost the series.

Originally posted by Rubberneck36:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
Doval wasn't the reason we lost the series. Our lack of timely hitting was.

well that is obvious. Hard to win a series when you average 2 runs a game. And thats with the 4 run game bump from game 1. Essentially they scored 1 run a game.

The team lived and died off homers. They couldn't string together timely consecutive hits, couldn't do the little things like move runners over.

Having said that, Doval should have mixed in a fastball or two. He showed Bellinger six straight sliders. Even a .165 hitter like Bellinger can figure that out and hit it hard.

I agree with everything you said especially the bolded part. But, there is no way that Doval, as a rookie, is going to shake off Posey's signs in such a critical moment. Love Buster and his ability to call a game and handle the staff but in this one case he messed up. They needed a K in that situation and a high 100 mph fastball was the pitch that would have done it. Having said that, the inability to hit in the clutch and score without homeruns was their achilles heal.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by Rubberneck36:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
Doval wasn't the reason we lost the series. Our lack of timely hitting was.

well that is obvious. Hard to win a series when you average 2 runs a game. And thats with the 4 run game bump from game 1. Essentially they scored 1 run a game.

The team lived and died off homers. They couldn't string together timely consecutive hits, couldn't do the little things like move runners over.

Having said that, Doval should have mixed in a fastball or two. He showed Bellinger six straight sliders. Even a .165 hitter like Bellinger can figure that out and hit it hard.

I agree with everything you said especially the bolded part. But, there is no way that Doval, as a rookie, is going to shake off Posey's signs in such a critical moment. Love Buster and his ability to call a game and handle the staff but in this one case he messed up. They needed a K in that situation and a high 100 mph fastball was the pitch that would have done it. Having said that, the inability to hit in the clutch and score without homeruns was their achilles heal.

Agree. I don't care to go back and look, but I don't remember if Buster was calling those or if they came from the bench. He usually calls the pitches, but I have seen them come from the bench also. Don't care because its done but it was a mistake to not throw a high fastball. If Buster did it, he gets a pass from me as he has always been amazing in the playoffs. Still over thought it though.

Originally posted by Rubberneck36:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by Rubberneck36:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
Doval wasn't the reason we lost the series. Our lack of timely hitting was.

well that is obvious. Hard to win a series when you average 2 runs a game. And thats with the 4 run game bump from game 1. Essentially they scored 1 run a game.

The team lived and died off homers. They couldn't string together timely consecutive hits, couldn't do the little things like move runners over.

Having said that, Doval should have mixed in a fastball or two. He showed Bellinger six straight sliders. Even a .165 hitter like Bellinger can figure that out and hit it hard.

I agree with everything you said especially the bolded part. But, there is no way that Doval, as a rookie, is going to shake off Posey's signs in such a critical moment. Love Buster and his ability to call a game and handle the staff but in this one case he messed up. They needed a K in that situation and a high 100 mph fastball was the pitch that would have done it. Having said that, the inability to hit in the clutch and score without homeruns was their achilles heal.

Agree. I don't care to go back and look, but I don't remember if Buster was calling those or if they came from the bench. He usually calls the pitches, but I have seen them come from the bench also. Don't care because its done but it was a mistake to not throw a high fastball. If Buster did it, he gets a pass from me as he has always been amazing in the playoffs. Still over thought it though.

To be clear, none of us think he shouldnt get a pass. He is Buster freakin Posey, and he has given us so many great moments over his career. He has earned the right to make a mistake, and not be crucified for it.

But there is a difference between giving him a pass for his mistake, and refusing to acknowledge that a mistake was made.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
To be clear, none of us think he shouldnt get a pass. He is Buster freakin Posey, and he has given us so many great moments over his career. He has earned the right to make a mistake, and not be crucified for it.

But there is a difference between giving him a pass for his mistake, and refusing to acknowledge that a mistake was made.

Agree. Not sure how anyone wouldn't think throwing 6 straight sliders to a s**tty hitter is a good idea when you have a 104 mph fastball. A fastball you came in and got a key 3rd out with one pitch in the last inning.

You know how you beat giving up one run in the 9th when you threw six straight sliders? Try scoring more than one run a game. lol

Originally posted by Rubberneck36:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
To be clear, none of us think he shouldnt get a pass. He is Buster freakin Posey, and he has given us so many great moments over his career. He has earned the right to make a mistake, and not be crucified for it.

But there is a difference between giving him a pass for his mistake, and refusing to acknowledge that a mistake was made.

Agree. Not sure how anyone wouldn't think throwing 6 straight sliders to a s**tty hitter is a good idea when you have a 104 mph fastball. A fastball you came in and got a key 3rd out with one pitch in the last inning.

You know how you beat giving up one run in the 9th when you threw six straight sliders? Try scoring more than one run a game. lol

My point is that Posey is no fool. If a bunch of guys on a forum can all agree that it was a bad sequence, its not like he wasn't aware of that too. He was calling it the way he felt it needed to be for that particular situation, and it was based off a plan. For all anyone knows they went into the inning with the strategy of throwing Bellinger all sliders low. Theres no possible way to know if Posey was just being careless, or if Kapler told them to
do that, or if Doval was feeling a certain way about one pitch over another that night. If Bellinger grounds into a DP nobody has anything to say about it.