2024 San Francisco Giants Season Thread

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Rubberneck36:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
To be clear, none of us think he shouldnt get a pass. He is Buster freakin Posey, and he has given us so many great moments over his career. He has earned the right to make a mistake, and not be crucified for it.

But there is a difference between giving him a pass for his mistake, and refusing to acknowledge that a mistake was made.

Agree. Not sure how anyone wouldn't think throwing 6 straight sliders to a s**tty hitter is a good idea when you have a 104 mph fastball. A fastball you came in and got a key 3rd out with one pitch in the last inning.

You know how you beat giving up one run in the 9th when you threw six straight sliders? Try scoring more than one run a game. lol

My point is that Posey is no fool. If a bunch of guys on a forum can all agree that it was a bad sequence, its not like he wasn't aware of that too. He was calling it the way he felt it needed to be for that particular situation, and it was based off a plan. For all anyone knows they went into the inning with the strategy of throwing Bellinger all sliders low. Theres no possible way to know if Posey was just being careless, or if Kapler told them to
do that, or if Doval was feeling a certain way about one pitch over another that night. If Bellinger grounds into a DP nobody has anything to say about it.

Even if the plan is to try to get Bellinger to hit a ground ball and the best way to accomplish this is by attacking him with sliders low, that doesnt mean that you need to throw every pitch there. Use one pitch to set up the next. Pitch calling 101.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Rubberneck36:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
To be clear, none of us think he shouldnt get a pass. He is Buster freakin Posey, and he has given us so many great moments over his career. He has earned the right to make a mistake, and not be crucified for it.

But there is a difference between giving him a pass for his mistake, and refusing to acknowledge that a mistake was made.

Agree. Not sure how anyone wouldn't think throwing 6 straight sliders to a s**tty hitter is a good idea when you have a 104 mph fastball. A fastball you came in and got a key 3rd out with one pitch in the last inning.

You know how you beat giving up one run in the 9th when you threw six straight sliders? Try scoring more than one run a game. lol

My point is that Posey is no fool. If a bunch of guys on a forum can all agree that it was a bad sequence, its not like he wasn't aware of that too. He was calling it the way he felt it needed to be for that particular situation, and it was based off a plan. For all anyone knows they went into the inning with the strategy of throwing Bellinger all sliders low. Theres no possible way to know if Posey was just being careless, or if Kapler told them to
do that, or if Doval was feeling a certain way about one pitch over another that night. If Bellinger grounds into a DP nobody has anything to say about it.

Even if the plan is to try to get Bellinger to hit a ground ball and the best way to accomplish this is by attacking him with sliders low, that doesnt mean that you need to throw every pitch there. Use one pitch to set up the next. Pitch calling 101.

Right, but there's no way to know if that was Posey's idea or not.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Rubberneck36:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
To be clear, none of us think he shouldnt get a pass. He is Buster freakin Posey, and he has given us so many great moments over his career. He has earned the right to make a mistake, and not be crucified for it.

But there is a difference between giving him a pass for his mistake, and refusing to acknowledge that a mistake was made.

Agree. Not sure how anyone wouldn't think throwing 6 straight sliders to a s**tty hitter is a good idea when you have a 104 mph fastball. A fastball you came in and got a key 3rd out with one pitch in the last inning.

You know how you beat giving up one run in the 9th when you threw six straight sliders? Try scoring more than one run a game. lol

My point is that Posey is no fool. If a bunch of guys on a forum can all agree that it was a bad sequence, its not like he wasn't aware of that too. He was calling it the way he felt it needed to be for that particular situation, and it was based off a plan. For all anyone knows they went into the inning with the strategy of throwing Bellinger all sliders low. Theres no possible way to know if Posey was just being careless, or if Kapler told them to
do that, or if Doval was feeling a certain way about one pitch over another that night. If Bellinger grounds into a DP nobody has anything to say about it.

Even if the plan is to try to get Bellinger to hit a ground ball and the best way to accomplish this is by attacking him with sliders low, that doesnt mean that you need to throw every pitch there. Use one pitch to set up the next. Pitch calling 101.

Yep. It was f**king stupid to throw that many sliders in a row. It just was and defending it is just as stupid. If Doval had a 85 mph fast ball then perhaps I could see it. But when you own a 100+ mph fastball and the hitter up at the plate has struggled all year with fastballs up in the zone you throw it. Period. End of story.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Rubberneck36:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
To be clear, none of us think he shouldnt get a pass. He is Buster freakin Posey, and he has given us so many great moments over his career. He has earned the right to make a mistake, and not be crucified for it.

But there is a difference between giving him a pass for his mistake, and refusing to acknowledge that a mistake was made.

Agree. Not sure how anyone wouldn't think throwing 6 straight sliders to a s**tty hitter is a good idea when you have a 104 mph fastball. A fastball you came in and got a key 3rd out with one pitch in the last inning.

You know how you beat giving up one run in the 9th when you threw six straight sliders? Try scoring more than one run a game. lol

My point is that Posey is no fool. If a bunch of guys on a forum can all agree that it was a bad sequence, its not like he wasn't aware of that too. He was calling it the way he felt it needed to be for that particular situation, and it was based off a plan. For all anyone knows they went into the inning with the strategy of throwing Bellinger all sliders low. Theres no possible way to know if Posey was just being careless, or if Kapler told them to
do that, or if Doval was feeling a certain way about one pitch over another that night. If Bellinger grounds into a DP nobody has anything to say about it.

Even if the plan is to try to get Bellinger to hit a ground ball and the best way to accomplish this is by attacking him with sliders low, that doesnt mean that you need to throw every pitch there. Use one pitch to set up the next. Pitch calling 101.

Right, but there's no way to know if that was Posey's idea or not.

You dont really think that anyone other than Buster was calling those pitches do you? Doval certainly wasnt shaking him off and I doubt that Kapler would be telling Posey what pitch to call.

You guys should submit your pitching coach resumes to the Giants lol.

Yazstremski gotta be in a platoon next year. I think resigning Bryant is a no brainer. Belt is the real question for me.

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
You guys should submit your pitching coach resumes to the Giants lol.

I played pickleball today with a guy who was in the Dodgers organization until a year ago. He knows Bellinger well and told me that there is no way that Bellinger could have touched high heat from Doval. This is a guy who knows the Dodgers hitters well and said that Lux will be a star at some point. (we shall see on that one). He said that Bellinger has done nothing to change his swing and approach and that is why he struggled so much against guys who could throw hard. You dont have to believe it or not. Just telling you what was said.

Also, not saying that Rubs, Steve, or me would be good pitching coaches. What I do know is that we all played the game and do know baseball pretty well.

Originally posted by Garce:
Yazstremski gotta be in a platoon next year. I think resigning Bryant is a no brainer. Belt is the real question for me.

I dont think resigning Bryant is a no brainer at all. It all depends on the asking price. If it is 200M he can take a walk.

Originally posted by Garce:
Yazstremski gotta be in a platoon next year. I think resigning Bryant is a no brainer. Belt is the real question for me.

I think there is a fair to good chance Yaz will be on a different team next season.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Garce:

Yazstremski gotta be in a platoon next year. I think resigning Bryant is a no brainer. Belt is the real question for me.

I think there is a fair to good chance Yaz will be on a different team next season.

You think we trade him? He's under team arbitration right?

Yeah, I cant see him coming back.

Originally posted by Garce:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Garce:
Yazstremski gotta be in a platoon next year. I think resigning Bryant is a no brainer. Belt is the real question for me.

I think there is a fair to good chance Yaz will be on a different team next season.

You think we trade him? He's under team arbitration right?

Yes he is under team control for a few more years, all of which are arbitration years. I think we will try to move him. He was one of the few players on this 2021 Giants team that was a huge disappointment. We will see.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Garce:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Garce:
Yazstremski gotta be in a platoon next year. I think resigning Bryant is a no brainer. Belt is the real question for me.

I think there is a fair to good chance Yaz will be on a different team next season.

You think we trade him? He's under team arbitration right?

Yes he is under team control for a few more years, all of which are arbitration years. I think we will try to move him. He was one of the few players on this 2021 Giants team that was a huge disappointment. We will see.

Will there be much demand for a guy who hit .224 and struck out almost 30% of the time?

I'd pass on Bryant for the price he will get

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Will there be much demand for a guy who hit .224 and struck out almost 30% of the time?

I don't think so.

I think it makes more sense to keep him in a platoon role and hope he has a bounce back year. Maybe you can trade him at the deadline if we aren't in contention.

Losing him, and Belt and Bryant is a lot of offense to replace.