2024 San Francisco Giants Season Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Not sure where you are getting your info but per pro baseball reference Perez war is 5.3 last year. Posey 3.5. Perez played in 161 games to Posey's 113. Even with my homer goggles on this one isn't even close fellas.

FanGraphs. They factor defense and pitch framing into their WAR. Posey was the far superior player in 2021. Perez was all HR power. Mediocre everywhere else. Perez had 48 HR to Buster's 18, yet Posey's OPS was 30 pts higher.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Not sure where you are getting your info but per pro baseball reference Perez war is 5.3 last year. Posey 3.5. Perez played in 161 games to Posey's 113. Even with my homer goggles on this one isn't even close fellas.

FanGraphs. They factor defense and pitch framing into their WAR. Posey was the far superior player in 2021. Perez was all HR power. Mediocre everywhere else. Perez had 48 HR to Buster's 18, yet Posey's OPS was 30 pts higher.

pretty sure if Posey played in 161 games and crushed 48 bombs Giants fans would be saying how on Earth is he not in there. I mean Posey played in over 40 fewer games. Imagine Perez mashing for over an entire month while Posey sat the entire time. That's basically what happened with Posey getting routine rest and Perez everyday playing. I imagine if Posey played everyday his metrics would take a hit as he wouldn't be as fresh day in and day out. Just my 2 cents.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Not sure where you are getting your info but per pro baseball reference Perez war is 5.3 last year. Posey 3.5. Perez played in 161 games to Posey's 113. Even with my homer goggles on this one isn't even close fellas.

FanGraphs. They factor defense and pitch framing into their WAR. Posey was the far superior player in 2021. Perez was all HR power. Mediocre everywhere else. Perez had 48 HR to Buster's 18, yet Posey's OPS was 30 pts higher.

pretty sure if Posey played in 161 games and crushed 48 bombs Giants fans would be saying how on Earth is he not in there. I mean Posey played in over 40 fewer games. Imagine Perez mashing for over an entire month while Posey sat the entire time. That's basically what happened with Posey getting routine rest and Perez everyday playing. I imagine if Posey played everyday his metrics would take a hit as he wouldn't be as fresh day in and day out. Just my 2 cents.

Its not just about offense. Posey was the far superior defensive player.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Not sure where you are getting your info but per pro baseball reference Perez war is 5.3 last year. Posey 3.5. Perez played in 161 games to Posey's 113. Even with my homer goggles on this one isn't even close fellas.

FanGraphs. They factor defense and pitch framing into their WAR. Posey was the far superior player in 2021. Perez was all HR power. Mediocre everywhere else. Perez had 48 HR to Buster's 18, yet Posey's OPS was 30 pts higher.

pretty sure if Posey played in 161 games and crushed 48 bombs Giants fans would be saying how on Earth is he not in there. I mean Posey played in over 40 fewer games. Imagine Perez mashing for over an entire month while Posey sat the entire time. That's basically what happened with Posey getting routine rest and Perez everyday playing. I imagine if Posey played everyday his metrics would take a hit as he wouldn't be as fresh day in and day out. Just my 2 cents.

Its not just about offense. Posey was the far superior defensive player.

Fine but playing 161 games is far superior to playing 113. I mean imagine how much better you would have to be in the 113 to out do the guy who is playing 161. You can say Posey is better on a per game basis but Perez can have the better season because he's logging so many more innings. We had to fill all those non-Posey innings after all.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Not sure where you are getting your info but per pro baseball reference Perez war is 5.3 last year. Posey 3.5. Perez played in 161 games to Posey's 113. Even with my homer goggles on this one isn't even close fellas.

Salvador had a historic year, it's a no brainer.

I have no issue whatsoever with Perez being named 1st team MLB. He had an amazing season. While Buster also had a terrific year I disagree that he was "robbed" of the award.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Fine but playing 161 games is far superior to playing 113. I mean imagine how much better you would have to be in the 113 to out do the guy who is playing 161. You can say Posey is better on a per game basis but Perez can have the better season because he's logging so many more innings. We had to fill all those non-Posey innings after all.

Posey had a 1.5 higher WAR in almost 50 less games than Perez, and WAR is cumulative. To me that's all you need to know about it.

Originally posted by DocMcstuffins:

Originally posted by Niners99:
Posey got robbed of First Team All-MLB. Ridiculous.

Seriously, obviously Defense plays no factor in, with Tatis and Harper out there. I get it though it's all about hitting the long ball and racking up tons of RBI's. But yeah Posey not being first team All MLB to Salvi who hit mad HR's in meaningless games is pure s**t! Just like the HOF voting is pure fodder !

LMAO to both of these. Give me a break you two.

Originally posted by Garce:
Salvador had a historic year, it's a no brainer.

An historic two months, but was having an avg year up until then.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by DocMcstuffins:

Originally posted by Niners99:
Posey got robbed of First Team All-MLB. Ridiculous.

Seriously, obviously Defense plays no factor in, with Tatis and Harper out there. I get it though it's all about hitting the long ball and racking up tons of RBI's. But yeah Posey not being first team All MLB to Salvi who hit mad HR's in meaningless games is pure s**t! Just like the HOF voting is pure fodder !

LMAO to both of these. Give me a break you two.

So every player that was named was deserving I guess in your eyes ? Let's break off a little bit of this Kit Kat bar.

These could've easily been questioned:

Salvi did have an historic year as a catcher but it wasn't over a whole years span. His huge spike came over the last two months. Not going to say he had a bad year. He was an AS but then again when does that matter much.

Riley over Devers or Ramirez?

Garret Cole and Walker?? Lmfao please. Wheeler should've been on 1st team and not 2nd. Even Urias should've made it over Cole.

i think Tatis Jr at SS is interesting too given that they moved him to CF. He's a stud no doubt.

I would've had a Webb of Gausman on the second team. Gausman was nonexistent the second half of the season.

it's not a LMAO at both of these when you have the likes of Harold Reynolds and Mad Dog Russo pretty much saying the same sentiments as we were. Some folks still value the art of Defense 😀

meh who cares! Let's get back to free agency!!!!

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Fine but playing 161 games is far superior to playing 113. I mean imagine how much better you would have to be in the 113 to out do the guy who is playing 161. You can say Posey is better on a per game basis but Perez can have the better season because he's logging so many more innings. We had to fill all those non-Posey innings after all.

Posey had a 1.5 higher WAR in almost 50 less games than Perez, and WAR is cumulative. To me that's all you need to know about it.

Yes but he stil missed about 30% of their games. I am a believer that being on the field and contributing is a huge factor. Perez played 161 games and lead the entire major league in both HRs and RBIs. Love Buster but to say he was robbed is crazy. I could see a voter perhaps leaning that way but I am not surprised at all with the vote. Quite frankly, I would have gone with Perez as well.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Fine but playing 161 games is far superior to playing 113. I mean imagine how much better you would have to be in the 113 to out do the guy who is playing 161. You can say Posey is better on a per game basis but Perez can have the better season because he's logging so many more innings. We had to fill all those non-Posey innings after all.

Posey had a 1.5 higher WAR in almost 50 less games than Perez, and WAR is cumulative. To me that's all you need to know about it.

Yes but he stil missed about 30% of their games. I am a believer that being on the field and contributing is a huge factor. Perez played 161 games and lead the entire major league in both HRs and RBIs. Love Buster but to say he was robbed is crazy. I could see a voter perhaps leaning that way but I am not surprised at all with the vote. Quite frankly, I would have gone with Perez as well.

Agree to disagree I guess. If only playing in 113 games was still good enough to get him the Silver Slugger and the Comeback POY, I don't see why it should matter when selecting All MLB. Its basically old school stats vs modern metrics. If you're looking at it from a traditional perspective, playing in every game and leading in HR and RBI's make it a no brainer. But there are so many other stats that tell you a players real value. Buster Posey was the best overall catcher in the Major Leagues this year, and the metrics confirm that to me. Its time people stopped using basic counting stats to determine the best players.

I don't think its a coincidence that Posey's team won 107 games and Perez's team only won 74.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Fine but playing 161 games is far superior to playing 113. I mean imagine how much better you would have to be in the 113 to out do the guy who is playing 161. You can say Posey is better on a per game basis but Perez can have the better season because he's logging so many more innings. We had to fill all those non-Posey innings after all.

Posey had a 1.5 higher WAR in almost 50 less games than Perez, and WAR is cumulative. To me that's all you need to know about it.

Yes but he stil missed about 30% of their games. I am a believer that being on the field and contributing is a huge factor. Perez played 161 games and lead the entire major league in both HRs and RBIs. Love Buster but to say he was robbed is crazy. I could see a voter perhaps leaning that way but I am not surprised at all with the vote. Quite frankly, I would have gone with Perez as well.

Agree to disagree I guess. If only playing in 113 games was still good enough to get him the Silver Slugger and the Comeback POY, I don't see why it should matter when selecting All MLB. Its basically old school stats vs modern metrics. If you're looking at it from a traditional perspective, playing in every game and leading in HR and RBI's make it a no brainer. But there are so many other stats that tell you a players real value. Buster Posey was the best overall catcher in the Major Leagues this year, and the metrics confirm that to me. Its time people stopped using basic counting stats to determine the best players.

I don't think its a coincidence that Posey's team won 107 games and Perez's team only won 74.

The vote on Silver Slugger was for NL only. If it had been for both leagues Perez would have easily won that award. Posey really had little competition in the National League for both awards. But, in a competition against Perez who had a magical season I think games played has to be a consideration.

As for the bolded, this may be the silliest comment you have ever made in here. Buster had the benefit of career seasons by Belt, Crawford, Wade, Gausman, DeScalfani, and others. He was a huge part of the Giants success obviously but put him on KC and that team still sucks.

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
The vote on Silver Slugger was for NL only. If it had been for both leagues Perez would have easily won that award. Posey really had little competition in the National League for both awards. But, in a competition against Perez who had a magical season I think games played has to be a consideration.

As for the bolded, this may be the silliest comment you have ever made in here. Buster had the benefit of career seasons by Belt, Crawford, Wade, Gausman, DeScalfani, and others. He was a huge part of the Giants success obviously but put him on KC and that team still sucks.

My point was that winning a Silver Slugger at all meant that his games played wasn't an issue for other awards, as far as playing enough to qualify.

Posey was a massive factor in the Giants success this season. Obviously other players had great years, but Posey's impact is something that reaches beyond what most fans realize.

Like I said, Posey's WAR was 1.5 higher than Perez, despite playing a whopping 48 fewer games. That is why I stand by what I said. If Perez couldn't even come close to Posey's WAR in that many extra games im not sure how you can crown him the best C in baseball.

The idea that one player is more valuable than another player because his team had much more success is silly.