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Nov 25, 2021 at 7:41 PM
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
The idea that one player is more valuable than another player because his team had much more success is silly.
I can see it depending on the circumstances and numbers. For example, lets say Buster had put up numbers somewhat similar to Perez's this year. Given the Giants success I would have voted him over Harper for MVP even if Harper had a higher OPS. Also, it would be really hard for me to vote for an MVP for a player on a last place team unless his numbers were historic
Nov 25, 2021 at 8:00 PM
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
The idea that one player is more valuable than another player because his team had much more success is silly.

I wasn't basing my argument on Posey's team being the reason he was more valuable than Perez. I was basing it on his numbers. His team having the best record in baseball is just another reflection of how much total value he brought to the lineup, the pitching staff, and the defense.
Nov 25, 2021 at 9:44 PM
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
The idea that one player is more valuable than another player because his team had much more success is silly.
I can see it depending on the circumstances and numbers. For example, lets say Buster had put up numbers somewhat similar to Perez's this year. Given the Giants success I would have voted him over Harper for MVP even if Harper had a higher OPS. Also, it would be really hard for me to vote for an MVP for a player on a last place team unless his numbers were historic

I think team success is a good tool to use to break a tie or to settle a close race. But using a player's team's season record to justify being 1st team over someone who had a substantially better statistical season is not something I will ever get behind, regardless of who the player is.
Nov 26, 2021 at 6:59 AM
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I think team success is a good tool to use to break a tie or to settle a close race. But using a player's team's season record to justify being 1st team over someone who had a substantially better statistical season is not something I will ever get behind, regardless of who the player is.

Nobody was saying that.

Also, Perez only had a substantially better statistical season in HR and RBI's. Considering its 2021 and not 1971, I don't think that should be the deciding factor.
Nov 27, 2021 at 1:06 AM
Mets signing everyone only to continue being mediocre to trash
Nov 27, 2021 at 5:57 AM
Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Mets signing everyone only to continue being mediocre to trash

Yep. Not the best method to go about but hey not my team 😀
Nov 27, 2021 at 1:04 PM
Well the Mets took Marte and Canha. Suzuki time!
Nov 27, 2021 at 3:24 PM
Mets targeting Gausman now.
Nov 27, 2021 at 5:09 PM
No Black Friday shopping for the giants?
Nov 27, 2021 at 10:30 PM
I want Gausman back but not if supposedly the Mets are offering 6 years and the Mariners 5 lol. I'll pass, we're supposedly offering 2-3 with high aav which isn't bad at all. Gausman would be dumb not to take the lengthy years while one of those teams will be kicking themselves
Nov 27, 2021 at 11:07 PM
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Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
I want Gausman back but not if supposedly the Mets are offering 6 years and the Mariners 5 lol. I'll pass, we're supposedly offering 2-3 with high aav which isn't bad at all. Gausman would be dumb not to take the lengthy years while one of those teams will be kicking themselves

I can't blame Zaidi for having cold feet to match a 5 or 6 year offer.
Nov 27, 2021 at 11:38 PM
Originally posted by Hopper:
Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
I want Gausman back but not if supposedly the Mets are offering 6 years and the Mariners 5 lol. I'll pass, we're supposedly offering 2-3 with high aav which isn't bad at all. Gausman would be dumb not to take the lengthy years while one of those teams will be kicking themselves

I can't blame Zaidi for having cold feet to match a 5 or 6 year offer.

I can't and don't blame Z for not wanting to go to 6 years. But 2-3 is pretty disrespectful. It just sucks that we could have had Gausman locked up already for a ridiculously reasonable deal if we didn't sign him to a QO last year.
[ Edited by SteveWallacesHelmet on Nov 27, 2021 at 11:38 PM ]
Nov 28, 2021 at 4:06 AM
Anything over 3 years for Gausman IMHO is a reach. Not sure he can perform like he did in the first half and do so at a consistent rate. Next man up!
Nov 28, 2021 at 8:00 AM
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I can't and don't blame Z for not wanting to go to 6 years. But 2-3 is pretty disrespectful. It just sucks that we could have had Gausman locked up already for a ridiculously reasonable deal if we didn't sign him to a QO last year.

Still dont trust Gausman enough to give him 5-6 years. He fell off in the 2nd half, and never really got back to where he was. I just feel like we can find the next Gausman for cheap. Spending our money on Suzuki and Semien seems like a better option.
Nov 28, 2021 at 8:13 AM
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
I can't and don't blame Z for not wanting to go to 6 years. But 2-3 is pretty disrespectful. It just sucks that we could have had Gausman locked up already for a ridiculously reasonable deal if we didn't sign him to a QO last year.

Still dont trust Gausman enough to give him 5-6 years. He fell off in the 2nd half, and never really got back to where he was. I just feel like we can find the next Gausman for cheap. Spending our money on Suzuki and Semien seems like a better option.

Agreed, I don't trust Gausman for that long not even close. Either way I personally don't like long term contracts for pitchers unless they're in their mid 20's heading into FA
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