***NBA OFFSEASON 2023 Thread***

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:
Harden's mouth costs him 100k

This is absolutely fair.

Dude is lesser than, and stood on the shoulders of, the giants that preceded him.

I'm no fan of Harden but Harden is arguably a top 5 shooting guard in the history of the game. If he stood on them shoulders it's bc he climbed on them all by himself.

Harden is the beneficiary of the watering down of the game in the 21st century. Did this guy ever play defense?

Having lived to see Jordan play, he is the standard that all other shooting guards are judged by. I stand by my statement.

Harden would be lucky to crack the top 15

He's top 15, just not top 5

Kobe
Wade
MJ
Iverson
Clyde

My top 5:

1. Jordan
2. Kobe
3. Wade
4. Harden
5. Iceman

…and Harden is by far the best passer & has the best handle in that group. He is also easily the best 3pt shooter in that group.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:
Harden's mouth costs him 100k

This is absolutely fair.

Dude is lesser than, and stood on the shoulders of, the giants that preceded him.

I'm no fan of Harden but Harden is arguably a top 5 shooting guard in the history of the game. If he stood on them shoulders it's bc he climbed on them all by himself.

Harden is the beneficiary of the watering down of the game in the 21st century. Did this guy ever play defense?

Having lived to see Jordan play, he is the standard that all other shooting guards are judged by. I stand by my statement.

Harden would be lucky to crack the top 15

He's top 15, just not top 5

Kobe
Wade
MJ
Iverson
Clyde

I think Harden is better than Clyde. Good call on Iverson. I was thinking of him as a PG but you can def. put him on the SG list. I'd still put Harden ahead of Iverson bc of the passing ability but have no problem with someone has Iverson ahead of Harden. Harden's passing puts him ahead of lot of these guys imo bc he can still average 30 a game while also being one of the league leaders in assists.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:
Harden's mouth costs him 100k

This is absolutely fair.

Dude is lesser than, and stood on the shoulders of, the giants that preceded him.

I'm no fan of Harden but Harden is arguably a top 5 shooting guard in the history of the game. If he stood on them shoulders it's bc he climbed on them all by himself.

Harden is the beneficiary of the watering down of the game in the 21st century. Did this guy ever play defense?

Having lived to see Jordan play, he is the standard that all other shooting guards are judged by. I stand by my statement.

Harden would be lucky to crack the top 15

He's top 15, just not top 5

Kobe
Wade
MJ
Iverson
Clyde

Yeah went back through and I'd have no issue with him right around 15ish. If I had to go top 5 it would be tough because after those top 2 there is a glut of guys you could make the case for rounding out that top 5…,think I'd go#3 West #4Klay and #5 Allen
MJ
Kobe

West, Wade, Drexler, Klay, Gervin, Iverson, Allen, Miller, Monroe, Ginobli

Speaking of Lonzo


lol sas

Oh this thread is hilarious.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:
Harden's mouth costs him 100k

This is absolutely fair.

Dude is lesser than, and stood on the shoulders of, the giants that preceded him.

I'm no fan of Harden but Harden is arguably a top 5 shooting guard in the history of the game. If he stood on them shoulders it's bc he climbed on them all by himself.

Harden is the beneficiary of the watering down of the game in the 21st century. Did this guy ever play defense?

Having lived to see Jordan play, he is the standard that all other shooting guards are judged by. I stand by my statement.

Harden would be lucky to crack the top 15

He's top 15, just not top 5

Kobe
Wade
MJ
Iverson
Clyde

Yeah went back through and I'd have no issue with him right around 15ish. If I had to go top 5 it would be tough because after those top 2 there is a glut of guys you could make the case for rounding out that top 5…,think I'd go#3 West #4Klay and #5 Allen
MJ
Kobe

West, Wade, Drexler, Klay, Gervin, Iverson, Allen, Miller, Monroe, Ginobli

Love Ginobli and Miller, but they weren't as good as Harden. And I get being a Ws homers but no to Klay as well.

And who the f**k is Monroe lol

If I was to rank,

MJ
Kobe
Wade
Clyde
Gervin
Iverson
TMac ( a little bias here I was a big TMac fan)

After that probably Harden. He's easily a top 10 SG, and you can make an argument for 5th/6th best as well.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:
Harden's mouth costs him 100k

This is absolutely fair.

Dude is lesser than, and stood on the shoulders of, the giants that preceded him.

I'm no fan of Harden but Harden is arguably a top 5 shooting guard in the history of the game. If he stood on them shoulders it's bc he climbed on them all by himself.

Harden is the beneficiary of the watering down of the game in the 21st century. Did this guy ever play defense?

Having lived to see Jordan play, he is the standard that all other shooting guards are judged by. I stand by my statement.

Harden would be lucky to crack the top 15

He's top 15, just not top 5

Kobe
Wade
MJ
Iverson
Clyde

I think Harden is better than Clyde. Good call on Iverson. I was thinking of him as a PG but you can def. put him on the SG list. I'd still put Harden ahead of Iverson bc of the passing ability but have no problem with someone has Iverson ahead of Harden. Harden's passing puts him ahead of lot of these guys imo bc he can still average 30 a game while also being one of the league leaders in assists.

Ya it definitely feels like Iverson was more a SG. I get the size thing and he "played" PG, but dude was an elite scorer.

Really hoping Lakers don't sign him. He is so done already. f**king Mavs.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:
Harden's mouth costs him 100k

This is absolutely fair.

Dude is lesser than, and stood on the shoulders of, the giants that preceded him.

I'm no fan of Harden but Harden is arguably a top 5 shooting guard in the history of the game. If he stood on them shoulders it's bc he climbed on them all by himself.

Harden is the beneficiary of the watering down of the game in the 21st century. Did this guy ever play defense?

Having lived to see Jordan play, he is the standard that all other shooting guards are judged by. I stand by my statement.

Harden would be lucky to crack the top 15

He's top 15, just not top 5

Kobe
Wade
MJ
Iverson
Clyde

Yeah went back through and I'd have no issue with him right around 15ish. If I had to go top 5 it would be tough because after those top 2 there is a glut of guys you could make the case for rounding out that top 5…,think I'd go#3 West #4Klay and #5 Allen
MJ
Kobe

West, Wade, Drexler, Klay, Gervin, Iverson, Allen, Miller, Monroe, Ginobli

Love Ginobli and Miller, but they weren't as good as Harden. And I get being a Ws homers but no to Klay as well.

And who the f**k is Monroe lol

If I was to rank,

MJ
Kobe
Wade
Clyde
Gervin
Iverson
TMac ( a little bias here I was a big TMac fan)

After that probably Harden. He's easily a top 10 SG, and you can make an argument for 5th/6th best as well.

I'd take Klay all day everyday over harden.
earl the pearl man!
I like your list. I always think of TMac as a SF: I also change my rank, forgot wade would be my #3 lol . Allen gets bumped

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:
Harden's mouth costs him 100k

This is absolutely fair.

Dude is lesser than, and stood on the shoulders of, the giants that preceded him.

I'm no fan of Harden but Harden is arguably a top 5 shooting guard in the history of the game. If he stood on them shoulders it's bc he climbed on them all by himself.

Harden is the beneficiary of the watering down of the game in the 21st century. Did this guy ever play defense?

Having lived to see Jordan play, he is the standard that all other shooting guards are judged by. I stand by my statement.

Harden would be lucky to crack the top 15

He's top 15, just not top 5

Kobe
Wade
MJ
Iverson
Clyde

Yeah went back through and I'd have no issue with him right around 15ish. If I had to go top 5 it would be tough because after those top 2 there is a glut of guys you could make the case for rounding out that top 5…,think I'd go#3 West #4Klay and #5 Allen
MJ
Kobe

West, Wade, Drexler, Klay, Gervin, Iverson, Allen, Miller, Monroe, Ginobli

Love Ginobli and Miller, but they weren't as good as Harden. And I get being a Ws homers but no to Klay as well.

And who the f**k is Monroe lol

If I was to rank,

MJ
Kobe
Wade
Clyde
Gervin
Iverson
TMac ( a little bias here I was a big TMac fan)

After that probably Harden. He's easily a top 10 SG, and you can make an argument for 5th/6th best as well.

I'd take Klay all day everyday over harden.
earl the pearl man!
I like your list. I always think of TMac as a SF: I also change my rank, forgot wade would be my #3 lol . Allen gets bumped

Oh ya haha, idk why I didn't realize that. I had to look up his stats as well, I mean for that era 18.8 ppg isn't that impressive. So idk...

Klay is arguably the best shooter ever at SG, it's definitely him, Allen, and Reggie.

It's just hard to put Klay in that convo bc he's not really go create your own shot type player, and that matters when you're discussing an all time great player. Would he be able to dominate if he was the star player on his team and never played w/ Curry? Who knows...

TMac was definitely a SG, was a bit bigger than most SGs, but that's basically the position he played. Hes pretty much always had a traditional SF on his teams.

There were smaller guards with way less skills thriving in that era.

lol no one from that era could even stay in front of 35 year old Curry.

What a

Nice

I got Harden fringe top 5. I dont like his game at all, so I probably would lean other fringe players over him. But I also value MVP awards a great deal.

lmao