Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
One play call that I couldn't stand was that 3rd down handoff to juice mid field in the NFCC. Horrible play call imo.

WHats worse wad the play call after that. The punt.

1. It was 4th and 2.
2. Mcvay just s**t himself with a stupid challenge.
3. No timeouts for the rams.
4. Niners Defense had just given up a 4 minute drive and they were exhausted.
5. Momentum was on the niners after that botched replay.
6. Ball was at the rams 45 or so.

Shanahan punts. I can't. I just can't get over it.

Not a chance Kyle punts there if he has a QB that he thought was as good as some of the posters in here think he is.

Top QBs get a chance to make a play in this situation. Instead, our QB got to hand it off to our fullback and then run to the sidelines while the punt team ran out on the field.

Bull. He passes three times the next drive with the score tied and with the rams with 0 timeouts. The man has no concept of proper game management at the end of games. Run it with deebo if he thinks Jimmy can't get it done. End around, te screen. Anything but punt.

This is the same qb that scored a td against this same team to get them to the playoffs woth 1:30 left. The same qb that completed 2 passes in the same drive to get them from the 12 to midfield. Enough shanexcuses.

You contradict yourself all in one post

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
When it comes to wide open wrs down the field, Jimmy was among the worst in the league.

Don't bother it's a massive waste of time. He doesn't care about facts…he's got a narrative to push and will find whatever little info he can to gaslight and fabricate truths.

Well, I am of the opinion that Jimmy is a quality QB. One of the better ones in the league. The problem isn't Jimmy. It's that there are so few competent QBs, which pushes him to near the top of tier 2 QBs. However, I am fairly convinced Trey has the intangibles to be able to do most of what Jimmy does, and a bunch of things he can't.

In fact, when I was going over a way to make a good QB rating formula, the thing I found that correlates best with winning was first downs per pass play (first downs passing divided by the quantity pass attempts + sacks). But, while Jimmy is excellent at 0.366 (third in the NFL), Trey is right behind him at 0.360 (would be 8th in the NFL). So Trey is ALREADY really good at one of the most important things when it comes to winning. And unlike Jimmy, he's going to improve.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
One play call that I couldn't stand was that 3rd down handoff to juice mid field in the NFCC. Horrible play call imo.

WHats worse wad the play call after that. The punt.

1. It was 4th and 2.
2. Mcvay just s**t himself with a stupid challenge.
3. No timeouts for the rams.
4. Niners Defense had just given up a 4 minute drive and they were exhausted.
5. Momentum was on the niners after that botched replay.
6. Ball was at the rams 45 or so.

Shanahan punts. I can't. I just can't get over it.

Not a chance Kyle punts there if he has a QB that he thought was as good as some of the posters in here think he is.

Top QBs get a chance to make a play in this situation. Instead, our QB got to hand it off to our fullback and then run to the sidelines while the punt team ran out on the field.

Bull. He passes three times the next drive with the score tied and with the rams with 0 timeouts. The man has no concept of proper game management at the end of games. Run it with deebo if he thinks Jimmy can't get it done. End around, te screen. Anything but punt.

This is the same qb that scored a td against this same team to get them to the playoffs woth 1:30 left. The same qb that completed 2 passes in the same drive to get them from the 12 to midfield. Enough shanexcuses.

You contradict yourself all in one post

How? SteveWallacesHelmet says Shanahan pussied out because he had no faith in his qb. I say no he pussied out because he has no testicles. It had nothing to do with his lack of faith in Jimmy.

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
The offense is going to explode once it's free of its Jimitations!

.@49ers @THE2ERA had his number called and he got the safety a bad case of the "twisty's" but they just aren't executing well enough to make these throws and change the game. #BaldysBreakdowns pic.twitter.com/mh0BdFI3ht

— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) October 25, 2021

Please. This is one play. For every one of those there's three of these:



That isn't his game. It never has been. It never will be.

Jimmy's pocket presence is poop. He would get hit by the only dude within 5 yards of him. Kyle's play call gives him a clean pocket, all he's got to do is move up in the pocket and toss it downfield. Instead he stands there waiting...

You gonna hold Trey to the same standards since it's so easy? Every single QB misses throws like this. Trey will too.

When it comes to wide open wrs down the field, Jimmy was among the worst in the league.

Lol Zach Wilison

As I've said, this just proves how absolutely pointless your guy's obsession with Air yards is.

First of all, air yards correlates more with winning than interceptions do. Go look at my QB rating thread. Air yards is NOT meaningless. It's not massively important, but it's a lot more important than most stats. There is a moderate positive correlation between air yards and winning.

Second, Wilson was drafted 2nd overall for a reason. He can really throw the ball. Him being able to connect on wide open throws should not be surprising in the slightest. If quarterbacking were ONLY about throwing, well, we'd have different QBs at the top now wouldn't we?

Third, the argument I'm addressing here is your claim that Jimmy is the same with other QBs on DEEP PASSING. Clearly he is NOT. He just isn't. It's not his game.

I am NOT, however, making the claim that that makes him a bad quarterback! Far from it. What he's good at (moving the chains) is one of the single most important factors to winning.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
One play call that I couldn't stand was that 3rd down handoff to juice mid field in the NFCC. Horrible play call imo.

WHats worse wad the play call after that. The punt.

1. It was 4th and 2.
2. Mcvay just s**t himself with a stupid challenge.
3. No timeouts for the rams.
4. Niners Defense had just given up a 4 minute drive and they were exhausted.
5. Momentum was on the niners after that botched replay.
6. Ball was at the rams 45 or so.

Shanahan punts. I can't. I just can't get over it.

Not a chance Kyle punts there if he has a QB that he thought was as good as some of the posters in here think he is.

Top QBs get a chance to make a play in this situation. Instead, our QB got to hand it off to our fullback and then run to the sidelines while the punt team ran out on the field.

Bull. He passes three times the next drive with the score tied and with the rams with 0 timeouts. The man has no concept of proper game management at the end of games. Run it with deebo if he thinks Jimmy can't get it done. End around, te screen. Anything but punt.

This is the same qb that scored a td against this same team to get them to the playoffs woth 1:30 left. The same qb that completed 2 passes in the same drive to get them from the 12 to midfield. Enough shanexcuses.

You contradict yourself all in one post

How? SteveWallacesHelmet says Shanahan pussied out because he had no faith in his qb. I say no he pussied out because he has no testicles. It had nothing to do with his lack of faith in Jimmy.

Almost half of our 4th down attempts last year were with Trey Lance despite him only playing 2 1/2 games. Seems like how often Kyle goes for it is partially dependent on the QB

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
The offense is going to explode once it's free of its Jimitations!

.@49ers @THE2ERA had his number called and he got the safety a bad case of the "twisty's" but they just aren't executing well enough to make these throws and change the game. #BaldysBreakdowns pic.twitter.com/mh0BdFI3ht

— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) October 25, 2021

Please. This is one play. For every one of those there's three of these:



That isn't his game. It never has been. It never will be.

Jimmy's pocket presence is poop. He would get hit by the only dude within 5 yards of him. Kyle's play call gives him a clean pocket, all he's got to do is move up in the pocket and toss it downfield. Instead he stands there waiting...

You gonna hold Trey to the same standards since it's so easy? Every single QB misses throws like this. Trey will too.

When it comes to wide open wrs down the field, Jimmy was among the worst in the league.

Lol Zach Wilison

As I've said, this just proves how absolutely pointless your guy's obsession with Air yards is.

You're stuck on Jimmy like his feet against oncoming pass rushers.

You need to accept that his time here is up, he had a good run, but in life you don't always get the happy ending. If so, Deshaun Watson would have been the Niners QB in 2021.

Gotta admit this chart is meaningless. You have MVPs toward the bottom (Ryan, Jackson), Sam Darnold in the top 10, Mills top 3, Wilson #1, and Mayfield equal to Tom Brady. Tua who one of his strengths is throwing deep he won the NC with the deep ball, 27th..

You can watch the games and decide who has the deep ball and who doesn't. JG it's not his forte. You don't need the chart to tell you that. That chart is terrible.

It's not meaningless, in the context in which it was posted. The claim that prompted me to post it was that Jimmy is about the same as other QBs when it comes to deep passing. He's not. End of discussion.

If you want to try to infer more into it than that, that's your problem. But as I pointed out many times before, including in my QB rating thread, what truly matters for QBs when it comes to winning is FIRST DOWN PASSES and touchdowns. In other words, moving the chains. Jimmy is great at the former of those, and it also just so happens to matter most to winning.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
How? SteveWallacesHelmet says Shanahan pussied out because he had no faith in his qb. I say no he pussied out because he has no testicles. It had nothing to do with his lack of faith in Jimmy.

Could you imagine Aaron Rodgers not getting one chance to throw the ball in that situation? Josh Allen? Joe Burrow? Russell Wilson? I can't. And the list goes on and on and on.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
One play call that I couldn't stand was that 3rd down handoff to juice mid field in the NFCC. Horrible play call imo.

WHats worse wad the play call after that. The punt.

1. It was 4th and 2.
2. Mcvay just s**t himself with a stupid challenge.
3. No timeouts for the rams.
4. Niners Defense had just given up a 4 minute drive and they were exhausted.
5. Momentum was on the niners after that botched replay.
6. Ball was at the rams 45 or so.

Shanahan punts. I can't. I just can't get over it.

My biggest problem was not running a QB sneak on 2 and 1 when we had the Rams on their heels.

Jimmy was perfect 25/25 in QB sneaks. He gets that first no problem and we continue our drive eating away precious clock.


Instead we take our sweet time and let the Rams get set, only to call a run play up the middle, that whole world was expecting at the time.

We then follow it up with another run up the middle with Juice lmao

At the point I was fine punting it because it was obvious we had lost all momentum we had on that drive. Before that 2 and Jimmy and the offense was dicing them up.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Could you imagine Aaron Rodgers not getting one chance to throw the ball in that situation? Josh Allen? Joe Burrow? Russell Wilson? I can't. And the list goes on and on and on.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

#49ers Jimmy Garoppolo is 25/25 on 4th down QB sneaks.

— NFL Numbers 🔢 (@nflnumber) May 11, 2022

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Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
The offense is going to explode once it's free of its Jimitations!

.@49ers @THE2ERA had his number called and he got the safety a bad case of the "twisty's" but they just aren't executing well enough to make these throws and change the game. #BaldysBreakdowns pic.twitter.com/mh0BdFI3ht

— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) October 25, 2021

Please. This is one play. For every one of those there's three of these:



That isn't his game. It never has been. It never will be.

Jimmy's pocket presence is poop. He would get hit by the only dude within 5 yards of him. Kyle's play call gives him a clean pocket, all he's got to do is move up in the pocket and toss it downfield. Instead he stands there waiting...

You gonna hold Trey to the same standards since it's so easy? Every single QB misses throws like this. Trey will too.

When it comes to wide open wrs down the field, Jimmy was among the worst in the league.

Lol Zach Wilison

As I've said, this just proves how absolutely pointless your guy's obsession with Air yards is.

You're stuck on Jimmy like his feet against oncoming pass rushers.

You need to accept that his time here is up, he had a good run, but in life you don't always get the happy ending. If so, Deshaun Watson would have been the Niners QB in 2021.

Gotta admit this chart is meaningless. You have MVPs toward the bottom (Ryan, Jackson), Sam Darnold in the top 10, Mills top 3, Wilson #1, and Mayfield equal to Tom Brady. Tua who one of his strengths is throwing deep he won the NC with the deep ball, 27th..

You can watch the games and decide who has the deep ball and who doesn't. JG it's not his forte. You don't need the chart to tell you that. That chart is terrible.

It's not meaningless, in the context in which it was posted. The claim that prompted me to post it was that Jimmy is about the same as other QBs when it comes to deep passing. He's not. End of discussion.

If you want to try to infer more into it than that, that's your problem. But as I pointed out many times before, including in my QB rating thread, what truly matters for QBs when it comes to winning is FIRST DOWN PASSES and touchdowns. In other words, moving the chains. Jimmy is great at the former of those, and it also just so happens to matter most to winning.

It's a great thread. Too bad posters like NY, SWH, 49ersRing, 49ersAllTime, SinceXVI wont visit because it's goes against everything they believe about Jimmy.

If Lance can play at or better (what most are expecting) than Jimmy using your metric then we should have no problem competing for a chip next year. We are too talented and too good of coaching not to make any noise.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
How? SteveWallacesHelmet says Shanahan pussied out because he had no faith in his qb. I say no he pussied out because he has no testicles. It had nothing to do with his lack of faith in Jimmy.

Could you imagine Aaron Rodgers not getting one chance to throw the ball in that situation? Josh Allen? Joe Burrow? Russell Wilson? I can't. And the list goes on and on and on.

I could. Apparently so could Matt lafleur.

https://www.foxsports.com/watch/1847913027950

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
How? SteveWallacesHelmet says Shanahan pussied out because he had no faith in his qb. I say no he pussied out because he has no testicles. It had nothing to do with his lack of faith in Jimmy.

Could you imagine Aaron Rodgers not getting one chance to throw the ball in that situation? Josh Allen? Joe Burrow? Russell Wilson? I can't. And the list goes on and on and on.

I could. Apparently so could Matt lafleur.

https://www.foxsports.com/watch/1847913027950

do you not remember the play before... ? a big FU to the entire team by AR

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
How? SteveWallacesHelmet says Shanahan pussied out because he had no faith in his qb. I say no he pussied out because he has no testicles. It had nothing to do with his lack of faith in Jimmy.

Could you imagine Aaron Rodgers not getting one chance to throw the ball in that situation? Josh Allen? Joe Burrow? Russell Wilson? I can't. And the list goes on and on and on.

I could. Apparently so could Matt lafleur.

https://www.foxsports.com/watch/1847913027950

Damn... Could you just imagine?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
How? SteveWallacesHelmet says Shanahan pussied out because he had no faith in his qb. I say no he pussied out because he has no testicles. It had nothing to do with his lack of faith in Jimmy.

Could you imagine Aaron Rodgers not getting one chance to throw the ball in that situation? Josh Allen? Joe Burrow? Russell Wilson? I can't. And the list goes on and on and on.

I could. Apparently so could Matt lafleur.

https://www.foxsports.com/watch/1847913027950

do you not remember the play before... ? a big FU to the entire team by AR

My point is a coach can make a great decision in the spur of the moment. A coach can make a bad decision. Just a like a player, he can make a great clutch play, or he can fold.

To me, blaming Jimmy for shanahans decision to punt is a complete cop-out. Shanahan just f**ked up. I just want to see him get better at his in game management.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
The offense is going to explode once it's free of its Jimitations!

.@49ers @THE2ERA had his number called and he got the safety a bad case of the "twisty's" but they just aren't executing well enough to make these throws and change the game. #BaldysBreakdowns pic.twitter.com/mh0BdFI3ht

— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) October 25, 2021

Please. This is one play. For every one of those there's three of these:



That isn't his game. It never has been. It never will be.

Jimmy's pocket presence is poop. He would get hit by the only dude within 5 yards of him. Kyle's play call gives him a clean pocket, all he's got to do is move up in the pocket and toss it downfield. Instead he stands there waiting...

You gonna hold Trey to the same standards since it's so easy? Every single QB misses throws like this. Trey will too.

When it comes to wide open wrs down the field, Jimmy was among the worst in the league.

Lol Zach Wilison

As I've said, this just proves how absolutely pointless your guy's obsession with Air yards is.

You're stuck on Jimmy like his feet against oncoming pass rushers.

You need to accept that his time here is up, he had a good run, but in life you don't always get the happy ending. If so, Deshaun Watson would have been the Niners QB in 2021.

Gotta admit this chart is meaningless. You have MVPs toward the bottom (Ryan, Jackson), Sam Darnold in the top 10, Mills top 3, Wilson #1, and Mayfield equal to Tom Brady. Tua who one of his strengths is throwing deep he won the NC with the deep ball, 27th..

You can watch the games and decide who has the deep ball and who doesn't. JG it's not his forte. You don't need the chart to tell you that. That chart is terrible.

It's not meaningless, in the context in which it was posted. The claim that prompted me to post it was that Jimmy is about the same as other QBs when it comes to deep passing. He's not. End of discussion.

If you want to try to infer more into it than that, that's your problem. But as I pointed out many times before, including in my QB rating thread, what truly matters for QBs when it comes to winning is FIRST DOWN PASSES and touchdowns. In other words, moving the chains. Jimmy is great at the former of those, and it also just so happens to matter most to winning.

It's a great thread. Too bad posters like NY, SWH, 49ersRing, 49ersAllTime, SinceXVI wont visit because it's goes against everything they believe about Jimmy.

If Lance can play at or better (what most are expecting) than Jimmy using your metric then we should have no problem competing for a chip next year. We are too talented and too good of coaching not to make any noise.

goes against what... Jimmy is inconsistent, doesn't know how to read defenses and chokes in big games. Dude became a joke in the natons eyes.

Time to move on.. instead of rewriting history or the blame game