Originally posted by JoseCortez:
How? SteveWallacesHelmet says Shanahan pussied out because he had no faith in his qb. I say no he pussied out because he has no testicles. It had nothing to do with his lack of faith in Jimmy.
Could you imagine Aaron Rodgers not getting one chance to throw the ball in that situation? Josh Allen? Joe Burrow? Russell Wilson? I can't. And the list goes on and on and on.
do you not remember the play before... ? a big FU to the entire team by AR
My point is a coach can make a great decision in the spur of the moment. A coach can make a bad decision. Just a like a player, he can make a great clutch play, or he can fold.
To me, blaming Jimmy for shanahans decision to punt is a complete cop-out. Shanahan just f**ked up. I just want to see him get better at his in game management.
Please. This is one play. For every one of those there's three of these:
That isn't his game. It never has been. It never will be.
Jimmy's pocket presence is poop. He would get hit by the only dude within 5 yards of him. Kyle's play call gives him a clean pocket, all he's got to do is move up in the pocket and toss it downfield. Instead he stands there waiting...
You gonna hold Trey to the same standards since it's so easy? Every single QB misses throws like this. Trey will too.
When it comes to wide open wrs down the field, Jimmy was among the worst in the league.
Lol Zach Wilison
As I've said, this just proves how absolutely pointless your guy's obsession with Air yards is.
You're stuck on Jimmy like his feet against oncoming pass rushers.
You need to accept that his time here is up, he had a good run, but in life you don't always get the happy ending. If so, Deshaun Watson would have been the Niners QB in 2021.
Gotta admit this chart is meaningless. You have MVPs toward the bottom (Ryan, Jackson), Sam Darnold in the top 10, Mills top 3, Wilson #1, and Mayfield equal to Tom Brady. Tua who one of his strengths is throwing deep he won the NC with the deep ball, 27th..
You can watch the games and decide who has the deep ball and who doesn't. JG it's not his forte. You don't need the chart to tell you that. That chart is terrible.
It's not meaningless, in the context in which it was posted. The claim that prompted me to post it was that Jimmy is about the same as other QBs when it comes to deep passing. He's not. End of discussion.
If you want to try to infer more into it than that, that's your problem. But as I pointed out many times before, including in my QB rating thread, what truly matters for QBs when it comes to winning is FIRST DOWN PASSES and touchdowns. In other words, moving the chains. Jimmy is great at the former of those, and it also just so happens to matter most to winning.
It's a great thread. Too bad posters like NY, SWH, 49ersRing, 49ersAllTime, SinceXVI wont visit because it's goes against everything they believe about Jimmy.
If Lance can play at or better (what most are expecting) than Jimmy using your metric then we should have no problem competing for a chip next year. We are too talented and too good of coaching not to make any noise.
goes against what... Jimmy is inconsistent, doesn't know how to read defenses and chokes in big games. Dude became a joke in the natons eyes.
Time to move on.. instead of rewriting history or the blame game
So we have a QB that can make throws that only few QBs in the league can make, and he's only due 27 mil which is cheap as hell for a QB that supposedly that can make throws very few can make. But for some reason we spent 3 first round picks on his replacement, and literally no team in the NFL wants to trade for him.
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
How? SteveWallacesHelmet says Shanahan pussied out because he had no faith in his qb. I say no he pussied out because he has no testicles. It had nothing to do with his lack of faith in Jimmy.
Could you imagine Aaron Rodgers not getting one chance to throw the ball in that situation? Josh Allen? Joe Burrow? Russell Wilson? I can't. And the list goes on and on and on.
do you not remember the play before... ? a big FU to the entire team by AR
My point is a coach can make a great decision in the spur of the moment. A coach can make a bad decision. Just a like a player, he can make a great clutch play, or he can fold.
To me, blaming Jimmy for shanahans decision to punt is a complete cop-out. Shanahan just f**ked up. I just want to see him get better at his in game management.
Jimmy refused to throw the ball on passing plays and the Rams sold out on the run.. what else is there to do. Plus this isn't the end of the game where the ball is in jimmy's hands once again..
Please. This is one play. For every one of those there's three of these:
That isn't his game. It never has been. It never will be.
Jimmy's pocket presence is poop. He would get hit by the only dude within 5 yards of him. Kyle's play call gives him a clean pocket, all he's got to do is move up in the pocket and toss it downfield. Instead he stands there waiting...
You gonna hold Trey to the same standards since it's so easy? Every single QB misses throws like this. Trey will too.
When it comes to wide open wrs down the field, Jimmy was among the worst in the league.
Lol Zach Wilison
As I've said, this just proves how absolutely pointless your guy's obsession with Air yards is.
You're stuck on Jimmy like his feet against oncoming pass rushers.
You need to accept that his time here is up, he had a good run, but in life you don't always get the happy ending. If so, Deshaun Watson would have been the Niners QB in 2021.
Gotta admit this chart is meaningless. You have MVPs toward the bottom (Ryan, Jackson), Sam Darnold in the top 10, Mills top 3, Wilson #1, and Mayfield equal to Tom Brady. Tua who one of his strengths is throwing deep he won the NC with the deep ball, 27th..
You can watch the games and decide who has the deep ball and who doesn't. JG it's not his forte. You don't need the chart to tell you that. That chart is terrible.
It's not meaningless, in the context in which it was posted. The claim that prompted me to post it was that Jimmy is about the same as other QBs when it comes to deep passing. He's not. End of discussion.
If you want to try to infer more into it than that, that's your problem. But as I pointed out many times before, including in my QB rating thread, what truly matters for QBs when it comes to winning is FIRST DOWN PASSES and touchdowns. In other words, moving the chains. Jimmy is great at the former of those, and it also just so happens to matter most to winning.
It's a great thread. Too bad posters like NY, SWH, 49ersRing, 49ersAllTime, SinceXVI wont visit because it's goes against everything they believe about Jimmy.
If Lance can play at or better (what most are expecting) than Jimmy using your metric then we should have no problem competing for a chip next year. We are too talented and too good of coaching not to make any noise.
goes against what... Jimmy is inconsistent, doesn't know how to read defenses and chokes in big games. Dude became a joke in the natons eyes.
Time to move on.. instead of rewriting history or the blame game
Please. This is one play. For every one of those there's three of these:
That isn't his game. It never has been. It never will be.
Jimmy's pocket presence is poop. He would get hit by the only dude within 5 yards of him. Kyle's play call gives him a clean pocket, all he's got to do is move up in the pocket and toss it downfield. Instead he stands there waiting...
You gonna hold Trey to the same standards since it's so easy? Every single QB misses throws like this. Trey will too.
When it comes to wide open wrs down the field, Jimmy was among the worst in the league.
Lol Zach Wilison
As I've said, this just proves how absolutely pointless your guy's obsession with Air yards is.
You're stuck on Jimmy like his feet against oncoming pass rushers.
You need to accept that his time here is up, he had a good run, but in life you don't always get the happy ending. If so, Deshaun Watson would have been the Niners QB in 2021.
Gotta admit this chart is meaningless. You have MVPs toward the bottom (Ryan, Jackson), Sam Darnold in the top 10, Mills top 3, Wilson #1, and Mayfield equal to Tom Brady. Tua who one of his strengths is throwing deep he won the NC with the deep ball, 27th..
You can watch the games and decide who has the deep ball and who doesn't. JG it's not his forte. You don't need the chart to tell you that. That chart is terrible.
It's not meaningless, in the context in which it was posted. The claim that prompted me to post it was that Jimmy is about the same as other QBs when it comes to deep passing. He's not. End of discussion.
If you want to try to infer more into it than that, that's your problem. But as I pointed out many times before, including in my QB rating thread, what truly matters for QBs when it comes to winning is FIRST DOWN PASSES and touchdowns. In other words, moving the chains. Jimmy is great at the former of those, and it also just so happens to matter most to winning.
It's a great thread. Too bad posters like NY, SWH, 49ersRing, 49ersAllTime, SinceXVI wont visit because it's goes against everything they believe about Jimmy.
If Lance can play at or better (what most are expecting) than Jimmy using your metric then we should have no problem competing for a chip next year. We are too talented and too good of coaching not to make any noise.
goes against what... Jimmy is inconsistent, doesn't know how to read defenses and chokes in big games. Dude became a joke in the natons eyes.
Time to move on.. instead of rewriting history or the blame game
Please. This is one play. For every one of those there's three of these:
That isn't his game. It never has been. It never will be.
Jimmy's pocket presence is poop. He would get hit by the only dude within 5 yards of him. Kyle's play call gives him a clean pocket, all he's got to do is move up in the pocket and toss it downfield. Instead he stands there waiting...
You gonna hold Trey to the same standards since it's so easy? Every single QB misses throws like this. Trey will too.
When it comes to wide open wrs down the field, Jimmy was among the worst in the league.
Lol Zach Wilison
As I've said, this just proves how absolutely pointless your guy's obsession with Air yards is.
You're stuck on Jimmy like his feet against oncoming pass rushers.
You need to accept that his time here is up, he had a good run, but in life you don't always get the happy ending. If so, Deshaun Watson would have been the Niners QB in 2021.
Gotta admit this chart is meaningless. You have MVPs toward the bottom (Ryan, Jackson), Sam Darnold in the top 10, Mills top 3, Wilson #1, and Mayfield equal to Tom Brady. Tua who one of his strengths is throwing deep he won the NC with the deep ball, 27th..
You can watch the games and decide who has the deep ball and who doesn't. JG it's not his forte. You don't need the chart to tell you that. That chart is terrible.
It's not meaningless, in the context in which it was posted. The claim that prompted me to post it was that Jimmy is about the same as other QBs when it comes to deep passing. He's not. End of discussion.
If you want to try to infer more into it than that, that's your problem. But as I pointed out many times before, including in my QB rating thread, what truly matters for QBs when it comes to winning is FIRST DOWN PASSES and touchdowns. In other words, moving the chains. Jimmy is great at the former of those, and it also just so happens to matter most to winning.
It's a great thread. Too bad posters like NY, SWH, 49ersRing, 49ersAllTime, SinceXVI wont visit because it's goes against everything they believe about Jimmy.
If Lance can play at or better (what most are expecting) than Jimmy using your metric then we should have no problem competing for a chip next year. We are too talented and too good of coaching not to make any noise.
goes against what... Jimmy is inconsistent, doesn't know how to read defenses and chokes in big games. Dude became a joke in the natons eyes.
Time to move on.. instead of rewriting history or the blame game
Let me know if it aligns with your view of Jimmy. If it's does, my apologies including you.
I'll wait 2 years and see where he ranks in this metric system without Shanahan.
lol
I'm not going to attribute all of Lance's success or failure on Kyle's system. Don't need to see him play in another system to know whether or not he is good with the niners.But everyone is entitled to heir own opinion.
Please. This is one play. For every one of those there's three of these:
That isn't his game. It never has been. It never will be.
Jimmy's pocket presence is poop. He would get hit by the only dude within 5 yards of him. Kyle's play call gives him a clean pocket, all he's got to do is move up in the pocket and toss it downfield. Instead he stands there waiting...
You gonna hold Trey to the same standards since it's so easy? Every single QB misses throws like this. Trey will too.
When it comes to wide open wrs down the field, Jimmy was among the worst in the league.
Lol Zach Wilison
As I've said, this just proves how absolutely pointless your guy's obsession with Air yards is.
You're stuck on Jimmy like his feet against oncoming pass rushers.
You need to accept that his time here is up, he had a good run, but in life you don't always get the happy ending. If so, Deshaun Watson would have been the Niners QB in 2021.
Gotta admit this chart is meaningless. You have MVPs toward the bottom (Ryan, Jackson), Sam Darnold in the top 10, Mills top 3, Wilson #1, and Mayfield equal to Tom Brady. Tua who one of his strengths is throwing deep he won the NC with the deep ball, 27th..
You can watch the games and decide who has the deep ball and who doesn't. JG it's not his forte. You don't need the chart to tell you that. That chart is terrible.
It's not meaningless, in the context in which it was posted. The claim that prompted me to post it was that Jimmy is about the same as other QBs when it comes to deep passing. He's not. End of discussion.
If you want to try to infer more into it than that, that's your problem. But as I pointed out many times before, including in my QB rating thread, what truly matters for QBs when it comes to winning is FIRST DOWN PASSES and touchdowns. In other words, moving the chains. Jimmy is great at the former of those, and it also just so happens to matter most to winning.
It's a great thread. Too bad posters like NY, SWH, 49ersRing, 49ersAllTime, SinceXVI wont visit because it's goes against everything they believe about Jimmy.
If Lance can play at or better (what most are expecting) than Jimmy using your metric then we should have no problem competing for a chip next year. We are too talented and too good of coaching not to make any noise.
goes against what... Jimmy is inconsistent, doesn't know how to read defenses and chokes in big games. Dude became a joke in the natons eyes.
Time to move on.. instead of rewriting history or the blame game
Please. This is one play. For every one of those there's three of these:
That isn't his game. It never has been. It never will be.
Jimmy's pocket presence is poop. He would get hit by the only dude within 5 yards of him. Kyle's play call gives him a clean pocket, all he's got to do is move up in the pocket and toss it downfield. Instead he stands there waiting...
You gonna hold Trey to the same standards since it's so easy? Every single QB misses throws like this. Trey will too.
When it comes to wide open wrs down the field, Jimmy was among the worst in the league.
Lol Zach Wilison
As I've said, this just proves how absolutely pointless your guy's obsession with Air yards is.
You're stuck on Jimmy like his feet against oncoming pass rushers.
You need to accept that his time here is up, he had a good run, but in life you don't always get the happy ending. If so, Deshaun Watson would have been the Niners QB in 2021.
Gotta admit this chart is meaningless. You have MVPs toward the bottom (Ryan, Jackson), Sam Darnold in the top 10, Mills top 3, Wilson #1, and Mayfield equal to Tom Brady. Tua who one of his strengths is throwing deep he won the NC with the deep ball, 27th..
You can watch the games and decide who has the deep ball and who doesn't. JG it's not his forte. You don't need the chart to tell you that. That chart is terrible.
It's not meaningless, in the context in which it was posted. The claim that prompted me to post it was that Jimmy is about the same as other QBs when it comes to deep passing. He's not. End of discussion.
If you want to try to infer more into it than that, that's your problem. But as I pointed out many times before, including in my QB rating thread, what truly matters for QBs when it comes to winning is FIRST DOWN PASSES and touchdowns. In other words, moving the chains. Jimmy is great at the former of those, and it also just so happens to matter most to winning.
It's a great thread. Too bad posters like NY, SWH, 49ersRing, 49ersAllTime, SinceXVI wont visit because it's goes against everything they believe about Jimmy.
If Lance can play at or better (what most are expecting) than Jimmy using your metric then we should have no problem competing for a chip next year. We are too talented and too good of coaching not to make any noise.
goes against what... Jimmy is inconsistent, doesn't know how to read defenses and chokes in big games. Dude became a joke in the natons eyes.
Time to move on.. instead of rewriting history or the blame game
Peter King on Colin Cowherd reiterated that the 49ers will probably retain Jimmy. No one has more direct access to our FO. So they're putting out there that we're going to keep him. Either to maintain some trade value or because they actually are going to keep Jimmy.
Wondering where the 49ers would rank if Jimmy Garoppolo were to return as the starter in 2022? They would move up to 13th in the FPI rankings. It's a big jump, fueled by the fact that Garoppolo has posted decent QBRs throughout his career -- which is a lot better than what the model assumes the 49ers will get from Lance in 2022 on average.
Please. This is one play. For every one of those there's three of these:
That isn't his game. It never has been. It never will be.
Jimmy's pocket presence is poop. He would get hit by the only dude within 5 yards of him. Kyle's play call gives him a clean pocket, all he's got to do is move up in the pocket and toss it downfield. Instead he stands there waiting...
You gonna hold Trey to the same standards since it's so easy? Every single QB misses throws like this. Trey will too.
When it comes to wide open wrs down the field, Jimmy was among the worst in the league.
Lol Zach Wilison
As I've said, this just proves how absolutely pointless your guy's obsession with Air yards is.
You're stuck on Jimmy like his feet against oncoming pass rushers.
You need to accept that his time here is up, he had a good run, but in life you don't always get the happy ending. If so, Deshaun Watson would have been the Niners QB in 2021.
Gotta admit this chart is meaningless. You have MVPs toward the bottom (Ryan, Jackson), Sam Darnold in the top 10, Mills top 3, Wilson #1, and Mayfield equal to Tom Brady. Tua who one of his strengths is throwing deep he won the NC with the deep ball, 27th..
You can watch the games and decide who has the deep ball and who doesn't. JG it's not his forte. You don't need the chart to tell you that. That chart is terrible.
It's not meaningless, in the context in which it was posted. The claim that prompted me to post it was that Jimmy is about the same as other QBs when it comes to deep passing. He's not. End of discussion.
If you want to try to infer more into it than that, that's your problem. But as I pointed out many times before, including in my QB rating thread, what truly matters for QBs when it comes to winning is FIRST DOWN PASSES and touchdowns. In other words, moving the chains. Jimmy is great at the former of those, and it also just so happens to matter most to winning.
It's a great thread. Too bad posters like NY, SWH, 49ersRing, 49ersAllTime, SinceXVI wont visit because it's goes against everything they believe about Jimmy.
If Lance can play at or better (what most are expecting) than Jimmy using your metric then we should have no problem competing for a chip next year. We are too talented and too good of coaching not to make any noise.
goes against what... Jimmy is inconsistent, doesn't know how to read defenses and chokes in big games. Dude became a joke in the natons eyes.
Time to move on.. instead of rewriting history or the blame game
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Peter King on Colin Cowherd reiterated that the 49ers will probably retain Jimmy. No one has more direct access to our FO. So they're putting out there that we're going to keep him. Either to maintain some trade value or because they actually are going to keep Jimmy.
I don't believe it. It would be dumb to have 27m sitting on he bench. Unless they plan to start him which would be even dumber after spending 3 1st on Lance only to waste another year of developement and rookie contract.
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Peter King on Colin Cowherd reiterated that the 49ers will probably retain Jimmy. No one has more direct access to our FO. So they're putting out there that we're going to keep him. Either to maintain some trade value or because they actually are going to keep Jimmy.
Good. They need to keep putting stuff like this out there through big time media guys.
This FO just isn't dumb enough to say anything less than that.
assuming TL as starter. 
