Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Interesting tidbit from ESPN.. their "model" has us ranked 24th assuming TL as starter.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33927352/nfl-season-projections-2022-win-loss-records-playoff-super-bowl-chances-football-power-index

Wondering where the 49ers would rank if Jimmy Garoppolo were to return as the starter in 2022? They would move up to 13th in the FPI rankings. It's a big jump, fueled by the fact that Garoppolo has posted decent QBRs throughout his career -- which is a lot better than what the model assumes the 49ers will get from Lance in 2022 on average.

Impossibru!!

Lance should be able to play at the very least like Jimmy which would mean playoffs. This roster is way too talented, and too good at coaching, to be 24th team in the league.

I think 13th with Lance sounds about right, taking his inexperience and natural talent into account. 13th rank would mean playoffs.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
How? SteveWallacesHelmet says Shanahan pussied out because he had no faith in his qb. I say no he pussied out because he has no testicles. It had nothing to do with his lack of faith in Jimmy.

Could you imagine Aaron Rodgers not getting one chance to throw the ball in that situation? Josh Allen? Joe Burrow? Russell Wilson? I can't. And the list goes on and on and on.

I could. Apparently so could Matt lafleur.

https://www.foxsports.com/watch/1847913027950

do you not remember the play before... ? a big FU to the entire team by AR

My point is a coach can make a great decision in the spur of the moment. A coach can make a bad decision. Just a like a player, he can make a great clutch play, or he can fold.

To me, blaming Jimmy for shanahans decision to punt is a complete cop-out. Shanahan just f**ked up. I just want to see him get better at his in game management.

Imagine thinking this decision to kick a field goal on 4th and goal from the 8 after 3 straight incomplete passes is somehow in the same universe as not letting your QB make a play on 3rd and 2 and then punting on 4th and 2.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Peter King on Colin Cowherd reiterated that the 49ers will probably retain Jimmy. No one has more direct access to our FO. So they're putting out there that we're going to keep him. Either to maintain some trade value or because they actually are going to keep Jimmy.

Good. They need to keep putting stuff like this out there through big time media guys.

This FO just isn't dumb enough to say anything less than that.

What's the benefit at this point when most QB positions are set? And considering the fact that no other team wants him? Lynch and Kyle can't be that dumb to not see what everyone else sees, right?

i think Seattle and Panthers, if nterested, are going to wait for him to be cut. Why trade anything and take on a contract for a player expected to be cut for cap savings?

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Peter King on Colin Cowherd reiterated that the 49ers will probably retain Jimmy. No one has more direct access to our FO. So they're putting out there that we're going to keep him. Either to maintain some trade value or because they actually are going to keep Jimmy.

More and more professionals are starting to echo(steal) my geniusness by the day.

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Peter King on Colin Cowherd reiterated that the 49ers will probably retain Jimmy. No one has more direct access to our FO. So they're putting out there that we're going to keep him. Either to maintain some trade value or because they actually are going to keep Jimmy.

More and more professionals are starting to echo(steal) my geniusness by the day.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
The offense is going to explode once it's free of its Jimitations!

.@49ers @THE2ERA had his number called and he got the safety a bad case of the "twisty's" but they just aren't executing well enough to make these throws and change the game. #BaldysBreakdowns pic.twitter.com/mh0BdFI3ht

— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) October 25, 2021

Please. This is one play. For every one of those there's three of these:



That isn't his game. It never has been. It never will be.

Jimmy's pocket presence is poop. He would get hit by the only dude within 5 yards of him. Kyle's play call gives him a clean pocket, all he's got to do is move up in the pocket and toss it downfield. Instead he stands there waiting...

You gonna hold Trey to the same standards since it's so easy? Every single QB misses throws like this. Trey will too.

When it comes to wide open wrs down the field, Jimmy was among the worst in the league.

Lol Zach Wilison

As I've said, this just proves how absolutely pointless your guy's obsession with Air yards is.

You're stuck on Jimmy like his feet against oncoming pass rushers.

You need to accept that his time here is up, he had a good run, but in life you don't always get the happy ending. If so, Deshaun Watson would have been the Niners QB in 2021.

Gotta admit this chart is meaningless. You have MVPs toward the bottom (Ryan, Jackson), Sam Darnold in the top 10, Mills top 3, Wilson #1, and Mayfield equal to Tom Brady. Tua who one of his strengths is throwing deep he won the NC with the deep ball, 27th..

You can watch the games and decide who has the deep ball and who doesn't. JG it's not his forte. You don't need the chart to tell you that. That chart is terrible.

It's not meaningless, in the context in which it was posted. The claim that prompted me to post it was that Jimmy is about the same as other QBs when it comes to deep passing. He's not. End of discussion.

If you want to try to infer more into it than that, that's your problem. But as I pointed out many times before, including in my QB rating thread, what truly matters for QBs when it comes to winning is FIRST DOWN PASSES and touchdowns. In other words, moving the chains. Jimmy is great at the former of those, and it also just so happens to matter most to winning.

It's a great thread. Too bad posters like NY, SWH, 49ersRing, 49ersAllTime, SinceXVI wont visit because it's goes against everything they believe about Jimmy.

If Lance can play at or better (what most are expecting) than Jimmy using your metric then we should have no problem competing for a chip next year. We are too talented and too good of coaching not to make any noise.

goes against what... Jimmy is inconsistent, doesn't know how to read defenses and chokes in big games. Dude became a joke in the natons eyes.

Time to move on.. instead of rewriting history or the blame game

Here you go

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl/196068-new-homegrown-rating-metric-jimmy-controversially-ranks-12th/

Let me know if it aligns with your view of Jimmy. If it's does, my apologies including you.

Aligns with my views.., What does it supposed represent or provide ?

Check it out and find out lol

i did, help me out..since you want to use it as some type of bible for something

I gave props to Rings in that thread, overall, that's the rating system that's as close to reliable as we have in the NFL. He better have ©️ that before it gets forwarded to some ESPN exec lol

But did that tell us anything new about Jimmy that we didn't know? Who's really been arguing that Jimmy isn't around that rank? And are we supposed to be jumping for joy that we have the "12th" best QB in the NFL?

And for me and many others, great QBs are those you can stick in any pass first system, and get great results. Could you put Jimmy in Andy Reid's system and have him make the plays Pat does, or anywhere close to it? I know we can put guys like Carr, Cousins, Prescott, in that system and they would be still be good, most likely even better. But I doubt you can say that about Jimmy with a straight face.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by SinceXVI:
The offense is going to explode once it's free of its Jimitations!

.@49ers @THE2ERA had his number called and he got the safety a bad case of the "twisty's" but they just aren't executing well enough to make these throws and change the game. #BaldysBreakdowns pic.twitter.com/mh0BdFI3ht

— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) October 25, 2021

Please. This is one play. For every one of those there's three of these:



That isn't his game. It never has been. It never will be.

Jimmy's pocket presence is poop. He would get hit by the only dude within 5 yards of him. Kyle's play call gives him a clean pocket, all he's got to do is move up in the pocket and toss it downfield. Instead he stands there waiting...

You gonna hold Trey to the same standards since it's so easy? Every single QB misses throws like this. Trey will too.

When it comes to wide open wrs down the field, Jimmy was among the worst in the league.

Lol Zach Wilison

As I've said, this just proves how absolutely pointless your guy's obsession with Air yards is.

You're stuck on Jimmy like his feet against oncoming pass rushers.

You need to accept that his time here is up, he had a good run, but in life you don't always get the happy ending. If so, Deshaun Watson would have been the Niners QB in 2021.

Gotta admit this chart is meaningless. You have MVPs toward the bottom (Ryan, Jackson), Sam Darnold in the top 10, Mills top 3, Wilson #1, and Mayfield equal to Tom Brady. Tua who one of his strengths is throwing deep he won the NC with the deep ball, 27th..

You can watch the games and decide who has the deep ball and who doesn't. JG it's not his forte. You don't need the chart to tell you that. That chart is terrible.

It's not meaningless, in the context in which it was posted. The claim that prompted me to post it was that Jimmy is about the same as other QBs when it comes to deep passing. He's not. End of discussion.

If you want to try to infer more into it than that, that's your problem. But as I pointed out many times before, including in my QB rating thread, what truly matters for QBs when it comes to winning is FIRST DOWN PASSES and touchdowns. In other words, moving the chains. Jimmy is great at the former of those, and it also just so happens to matter most to winning.

It's a great thread. Too bad posters like NY, SWH, 49ersRing, 49ersAllTime, SinceXVI wont visit because it's goes against everything they believe about Jimmy.

If Lance can play at or better (what most are expecting) than Jimmy using your metric then we should have no problem competing for a chip next year. We are too talented and too good of coaching not to make any noise.

goes against what... Jimmy is inconsistent, doesn't know how to read defenses and chokes in big games. Dude became a joke in the natons eyes.

Time to move on.. instead of rewriting history or the blame game

Here you go

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl/196068-new-homegrown-rating-metric-jimmy-controversially-ranks-12th/

Let me know if it aligns with your view of Jimmy. If it's does, my apologies including you.

Aligns with my views.., What does it supposed represent or provide ?

Check it out and find out lol

i did, help me out..since you want to use it as some type of bible for something

oh c'mon.. i'm sure you can enlighten us on how it counters the majority of the nations views of jimmy

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Peter King on Colin Cowherd reiterated that the 49ers will probably retain Jimmy. No one has more direct access to our FO. So they're putting out there that we're going to keep him. Either to maintain some trade value or because they actually are going to keep Jimmy.

Good. They need to keep putting stuff like this out there through big time media guys.

This FO just isn't dumb enough to say anything less than that.

What's the benefit at this point when most QB positions are set? And considering the fact that no other team wants him? Lynch and Kyle can't be that dumb to not see what everyone else sees, right?

i think Seattle and Panthers, if nterested, are going to wait for him to be cut. Why trade anything and take on a contract for a player expected to be cut for cap savings?

You just said exactly why lol. If we have more than two teams interested, one of those teams will try to get in him in a trade and not have to worry about losing out on him in FA.

And I personally think the Giants might get involved as well. Also, who knows what the FO knows and who else might be involved. Sure it's looking like most teams are set right now, but you never know. It would be stupid as hell for our FO to show their cards and have 0 chance at getting anything back. This isn't hard to understand lol,it's very common in the football world.

All year, Carrol and their FO said how they are working with RW and they believe he will be a Seahawk. Multiple times for the past year Carrol has been saying great progress has been made with RW.

Jiks if he was a SEA fan:

See I told you guys we aren't getting rid of him!

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Peter King on Colin Cowherd reiterated that the 49ers will probably retain Jimmy. No one has more direct access to our FO. So they're putting out there that we're going to keep him. Either to maintain some trade value or because they actually are going to keep Jimmy.

Good. They need to keep putting stuff like this out there through big time media guys.

This FO just isn't dumb enough to say anything less than that.

What's the benefit at this point when most QB positions are set? And considering the fact that no other team wants him? Lynch and Kyle can't be that dumb to not see what everyone else sees, right?

i think Seattle and Panthers, if nterested, are going to wait for him to be cut. Why trade anything and take on a contract for a player expected to be cut for cap savings?

You just said exactly why lol. If we have more than two teams interested, one of those teams will try to get in him in a trade and not have to worry about losing out on him in FA.

And I personally think the Giants might get involved as well. Also, who knows what the FO knows and who else might be involved. Sure it's looking like most teams are set right now, but you never know. It would be stupid as hell for our FO to show their cards and have 0 chance at getting anything back. This isn't hard to understand lol,it's very common in the football world.

But I didn't say why lol I stated why they wouldn't trade for him. Why trade for a player "that nobody else wants" and guarantee his pay? Why not just wait for him to get cut and sign him to whatever contract you want as opposed to the one he has with he niners? It's not like you're going to compete with other teams because remember "nobody wants him" lol

it just doesn't make sense to me. Most likely, they are just waiting for him to pass his physical and then they cut him as opposed to holding on to him in hopes that another team "that doesn't want him" to trade for him. That's he only cards they hold at the moment IMO.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
All year, Carrol and their FO said how they are working with RW and they believe he will be a Seahawk. Multiple times for the past year Carrol has been saying great progress has been made with RW.

Jiks if he was a SEA fan:

See I told you guys we aren't getting rid of him!

yOu GuYs AnD yOuR cOnSpIrAcY tHeOriEs.

Lol.

If the FO says it, it must be true.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Peter King on Colin Cowherd reiterated that the 49ers will probably retain Jimmy. No one has more direct access to our FO. So they're putting out there that we're going to keep him. Either to maintain some trade value or because they actually are going to keep Jimmy.

Good. They need to keep putting stuff like this out there through big time media guys.

This FO just isn't dumb enough to say anything less than that.

What's the benefit at this point when most QB positions are set? And considering the fact that no other team wants him? Lynch and Kyle can't be that dumb to not see what everyone else sees, right?

i think Seattle and Panthers, if nterested, are going to wait for him to be cut. Why trade anything and take on a contract for a player expected to be cut for cap savings?

You just said exactly why lol. If we have more than two teams interested, one of those teams will try to get in him in a trade and not have to worry about losing out on him in FA.

And I personally think the Giants might get involved as well. Also, who knows what the FO knows and who else might be involved. Sure it's looking like most teams are set right now, but you never know. It would be stupid as hell for our FO to show their cards and have 0 chance at getting anything back. This isn't hard to understand lol,it's very common in the football world.

But I didn't say why lol I stated why they wouldn't trade for him. Why trade for a player "that nobody else wants" and guarantee his pay? Why not just wait for him to get cut and sign him to whatever contract you want as opposed to the one he has with he niners? It's not like you're going to compete with other teams because remember "nobody wants him" lol

it just doesn't make sense to me. Most likely, they are just waiting for him to pass his physical and then they cut him as opposed to holding on to him in hopes that another team "that doesn't want him" to trade for him. That's he only cards they hold at the moment IMO.

Me saying nobody wants him so far is a fact...Last time I checked he's still on the roster, no? Pretty sure we've been actively trying to trade him a couple months ago lol.

Though I've been saying it all offseason since he got his surgery that the right play right now is wait until he's healthy. Which would be around mid June, mid July at the latest according to reports.

Then you have a week or two to play with and see if anybody bites. We don't know what other teams might be involved, and on top of that, if you've been watching football for awhile you would know that plenty of injuries have happened during TC.

As slim as it is, there is still a possibility to work out a trade. And btw, we are allowed to eat some of that money on his contract, a team doesn't have to pay 27 mil...There are a lot of variables going on right now, and FO announcing that they are just gonna cut him, would be idiotic. This isn't something new, FOs in the NFL try to at least do their best of not letting out exactly what their plan is...

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Peter King on Colin Cowherd reiterated that the 49ers will probably retain Jimmy. No one has more direct access to our FO. So they're putting out there that we're going to keep him. Either to maintain some trade value or because they actually are going to keep Jimmy.

Good. They need to keep putting stuff like this out there through big time media guys.

This FO just isn't dumb enough to say anything less than that.

What's the benefit at this point when most QB positions are set? And considering the fact that no other team wants him? Lynch and Kyle can't be that dumb to not see what everyone else sees, right?

i think Seattle and Panthers, if nterested, are going to wait for him to be cut. Why trade anything and take on a contract for a player expected to be cut for cap savings?

You just said exactly why lol. If we have more than two teams interested, one of those teams will try to get in him in a trade and not have to worry about losing out on him in FA.

And I personally think the Giants might get involved as well. Also, who knows what the FO knows and who else might be involved. Sure it's looking like most teams are set right now, but you never know. It would be stupid as hell for our FO to show their cards and have 0 chance at getting anything back. This isn't hard to understand lol,it's very common in the football world.

But I didn't say why lol I stated why they wouldn't trade for him. Why trade for a player "that nobody else wants" and guarantee his pay? Why not just wait for him to get cut and sign him to whatever contract you want as opposed to the one he has with he niners? It's not like you're going to compete with other teams because remember "nobody wants him" lol

it just doesn't make sense to me. Most likely, they are just waiting for him to pass his physical and then they cut him as opposed to holding on to him in hopes that another team "that doesn't want him" to trade for him. That's he only cards they hold at the moment IMO.

Me saying nobody wants him so far is a fact...Last time I checked he's still on the roster, no? Pretty sure we've been actively trying to trade him a couple months ago lol.

Though I've been saying it all offseason since he got his surgery that the right play right now is wait until he's healthy. Which would be around mid June, mid July at the latest according to reports.

Then you have a week or two to play with and see if anybody bites. We don't know what other teams might be involved, and on top of that, if you've been watching football for awhile you would know that plenty of injuries have happened during TC.

As slim as it is, there is still a possibility to work out a trade. And btw, we are allowed to eat some of that money on his contract, a team doesn't have to pay 27 mil...There are a lot of variables going on right now, and FO announcing that they are just gonna cut him, would be idiotic. This isn't something new, FOs in the NFL try to at least do their best of not letting out exactly what their plan is...

"nobody wants him so far" I agree with that. and it makes sense considering his injury. But teams that never saw value in Jimmy aren't going to suddenly see value in him enough to trade for him and pay for his contract, unless they did so to begin with. I mean we can hold out hope for an unlikely injury to a starting QB but then again they would need to value Jimmy enough to trade for him and pay his contract.

If the FO takes on any of the contract then they better get a 2nd at least. Because if that was he case then they should have cut him a while back and used the remaining cap savings on FA to make build an even better roster for Lance.

also, I never said that they should announce his release right now? I agree that would be idiotic lol

God forbid Lance gets hurt from now and Jimmy's physical and we have to bring him back for next year. Then what? We roll with Sudfeld or Purdy. Nah lol

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
Peter King on Colin Cowherd reiterated that the 49ers will probably retain Jimmy. No one has more direct access to our FO. So they're putting out there that we're going to keep him. Either to maintain some trade value or because they actually are going to keep Jimmy.

Good. They need to keep putting stuff like this out there through big time media guys.

This FO just isn't dumb enough to say anything less than that.

What's the benefit at this point when most QB positions are set? And considering the fact that no other team wants him? Lynch and Kyle can't be that dumb to not see what everyone else sees, right?

i think Seattle and Panthers, if nterested, are going to wait for him to be cut. Why trade anything and take on a contract for a player expected to be cut for cap savings?

You just said exactly why lol. If we have more than two teams interested, one of those teams will try to get in him in a trade and not have to worry about losing out on him in FA.

And I personally think the Giants might get involved as well. Also, who knows what the FO knows and who else might be involved. Sure it's looking like most teams are set right now, but you never know. It would be stupid as hell for our FO to show their cards and have 0 chance at getting anything back. This isn't hard to understand lol,it's very common in the football world.

But I didn't say why lol I stated why they wouldn't trade for him. Why trade for a player "that nobody else wants" and guarantee his pay? Why not just wait for him to get cut and sign him to whatever contract you want as opposed to the one he has with he niners? It's not like you're going to compete with other teams because remember "nobody wants him" lol

it just doesn't make sense to me. Most likely, they are just waiting for him to pass his physical and then they cut him as opposed to holding on to him in hopes that another team "that doesn't want him" to trade for him. That's he only cards they hold at the moment IMO.

Me saying nobody wants him so far is a fact...Last time I checked he's still on the roster, no? Pretty sure we've been actively trying to trade him a couple months ago lol.

Though I've been saying it all offseason since he got his surgery that the right play right now is wait until he's healthy. Which would be around mid June, mid July at the latest according to reports.

Then you have a week or two to play with and see if anybody bites. We don't know what other teams might be involved, and on top of that, if you've been watching football for awhile you would know that plenty of injuries have happened during TC.

As slim as it is, there is still a possibility to work out a trade. And btw, we are allowed to eat some of that money on his contract, a team doesn't have to pay 27 mil...There are a lot of variables going on right now, and FO announcing that they are just gonna cut him, would be idiotic. This isn't something new, FOs in the NFL try to at least do their best of not letting out exactly what their plan is...

"nobody wants him so far" I agree with that. and it makes sense considering his injury. But teams that never saw value in Jimmy aren't going to suddenly see value in him enough to trade for him and pay for his contract, unless they did so to begin with. I mean we can hold out hope for an unlikely injury to a starting QB but then again they would need to value Jimmy enough to trade for him and pay his contract.

If the FO takes on any of the contract then they better get a 2nd at least. Because if that was he case then they should have cut him a while back and used the remaining cap savings on FA to make build an even better roster for Lance.

also, I never said that they should announce his release right now? I agree that would be idiotic lol

God forbid Lance gets hurt from now and Jimmy's physical and we have to bring him back for next year. Then what? We roll with Sudfeld or Purdy. Nah lol

They're holding out hope, as slim as it might be.

And obviously if something like that happens, having Jimmy would be nice.

But how much is it still up to us? Jimmy's gotta have some pride here as well, I highly doubt he's been entertaining the idea of coming back.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
They're holding out hope, as slim as it might be.

And obviously if something like that happens, having Jimmy would be nice.

But how much is it still up to us? Jimmy's gotta have some pride here as well, I highly doubt he's been entertaining the idea of coming back.

Like I said God forbid it happens, but Jimmy would have no choice but to play out the remainder of his contract under that scenario. And I don't see him being to prideful based on his personality and history.